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To Spank, Or Not to Spank, Part 2

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Five Moms, five discipline techniques... a three-part series.

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One day in the Mom•Logic offices, we got to talking about discipline. Each Mom had a different technique—some spanked, some gave time-outs, some yelled, some threatened. (One Mom even admitted she did all of the above!) The only common thread was that we all wondered if our way was the right way, and were constantly questioning our discipline choices. We decided to ask five of our favorite Mom-bloggers to weigh in on the subject of discipline. Their responses were enlightening, and as varied, as the women themselves.

Today, we hear from Jennifer James, Mama Noire:

"Here are my thoughts on "how not to raise a brat." I believe they tie in with the discipline discussion. I was walking into the grocery store yesterday when simultaneously a mother was doing her darnedest to drag a screaming, kicking 4- or 5-year-old out of the store who was absolutely livid because he couldn't have caaaaannnnndddddyyy! I'm usually not a judgmental mother, but...

I (and everyone else around for that matter) couldn't help but silently note what a pathetic scene I was witnessing and how preventable meltdowns are with children.

I want to preface this by saying I have raised, thus far, two daughters who are now nine and six and not one time have I ever had to deal with a child who threw a tantrum in public. Never. When my girls were as young as two and three I could take them with me to the bookstore, museum, grocery store, library, everywhere really, and they always knew how to behave. And that's because my husband and I always set boundaries for our children and stuck to the script. You don't have to be a cruel parent who believes in corporal punishment to have well-behaved children. You just have to understand a few rules.

1. You Are the Parent and Your Son or Daughter is the Child
I don't know how many times I've been out in public and heard a mother or father say, "Timmy, are you frustrated?" Meanwhile, Timmy is screaming at the top of his lungs and flailing all over the floor and embarrassing the heck out of his parent.

The only reason a child will act out like that in public is because he knows there will be zero consequences. As the parent, you have to set boundaries for your child and remember you are the parent, the authoritarian figure. There is no negotiating with a 3-year-old. They have no say-so. If you tell your child, "No, you cannot have candy today." they should understand that you mean it. Don't say "No" and then throw a piece of candy in the cart because they whine for it. No means no.

2. Don't Overindulge Your Child
Your child does not need every piece of plastic crap your bank account can afford. My husband and I always bought our girls a few really nice toys that they played with endlessly, and they have always been perfectly content with having a few things. Now that our girls are older, they have a room packed to capacity with books, but we still limit the amount of toys they have. For Christmas this year, they will get the things they really, really want and that's it. You don't need to give your child everything, just enough to keep them content. You'd be surprised how happy a child can be with two or three dolls and a tea set or two Tonka trucks and a racetrack. Allow your child's imagination to soar, not be overburdened with too much stuff to choose from.

3. Set Real, Concrete Boundaries and Don't Be Slack
From day one let your child know what to expect from you, and they will comply with the rules. Promise. When you make a rule, stick with it. Children will always test you to see if you mean what you say. As a parent, you have to mean everything you say. When you have given your child a consequence and you don't follow through, then when they act up it's all your fault. Stand your ground and stick to the plan. It's when parents are on shaky ground that children walk all over them.

4.Get Down to Their Level
There was only one time when my youngest daughter tried to throw a fit in the grocery store. I caught it right away, got square in her face, and I told her in a stern voice that she was not going to whine about not getting what she wanted. She got the drift and we went merrily about our way. Never shout at your child or threaten them from afar. Bend down or pick your child up, look them in the eye and tell them that you are not going to tolerate a certain behavior and then have a consequence ready should they try to test you. I would always threaten my daughters with having to take a nap when they got home, which was only a very rare occasion. They hated taking naps and so they would straighten up right away.

5. Tantrums Are Not Endearing
I think many parents tolerate tantrums because they somehow believe it's all a part of a child growing up. Nope. That's just not the case. Teach your child about good behavior, and tell her that tantrums are really bad. Let her know the difference between good and bad behavior early on. Young children are capable of understanding fundamental concepts such as right and wrong, good and bad. If your child has a tantrum in public, nip it in the bud that day. Don't let it happen again and again. That only gives your child the OK to continue doing it."

At Mom•Logic, we think each Mom has to use trial and error to find out what works (or doesn't) for her kid. As for us, we're still experimenting to find that magic formula that will transform our rowdy, sometimes bratty, kids into obedient little angels. C'mon, help a Mother out: What's your discipline style?

Tomorrow: Rebecca Barry, The Main St. Diaries: When kids teach us about discipline.


next: 2007 Parenting Trends
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Deborah December 21, 2007, 10:28 AM

I agree. I’ve slapped my daughter maybe three times in her 10 years of life. The reasons were because she was in dire danger of being hit by a car, messing around on the subway platform, or running away from me in a crowded store. All three times, I felt like a number one heel. I handled tantrums in a couple of ways: Never take the child out when she’s hungry, tired or sick. It child gets overstimulated it’s time to take her some place quiet. Distractions are a godsend. My daughter always knew that if I got down to her level and said “Do I need to take you somewhere quiet so we can talk?” that it was time to settle down. Talking meant going to the Ladies room for a time out and a lecture about why her behavior was not appropriate. If that didn’t work, we would simply go home. Most of the time, she would fall asleep in the backseat of the car because she was overtired..which precipitated the temper tantrum. Every kid is different but it’s been my experience that hitting them only teaches them to hit back.

Teresa December 21, 2007, 11:02 AM

I’ve never hit my child nor would I period, it gets you no where and the only reason they learn to listen to you afterwards is that they’re afraid. Is that really what you want, your child growing up being afraid of you? Trust me at nearly 40 I’m still terrified from the constant beatings, my father passed away years ago and the fear still never went away.

I’ve got a teenager, and yea it’s hard but we’ve also got a great line of communication and work our problems out. Even as a toddler I talked to him and solved our problems, I never overreacted and I never put my hands on him unless it was to grab him and pull him to safety. There’s always a solution and it’s never to put your hands on a child.

Sheri December 21, 2007, 1:26 PM

How exactly could you know which kids were autistic?
Judge not, you have no idea what some parents and there children are dealing with.
I am 100% certain I can’t spank the Autism out of my child, but thanks for your advice.

Amy December 21, 2007, 1:29 PM

As long as the mom in question was dragging the screaming child out without giving in to the demand, then more power to her. I’d much rather hear the tantrum on the way out, than witness the parent who caves under the pressure of all the staring eyes …

Kasi December 21, 2007, 2:41 PM

I agree with this article 100% I have an 8 year old and only once has she been out of control in public and she has never been spanked. While there have been many times when I’ve wanted to spank her she’s proof that you can have a great kid with stability and consistency.

Anonymous December 23, 2007, 2:27 PM

I don’t believe in spanking but can agree with the methods you’ve listed, Jennifer…as methods, though - not guarantees. As a big sister, parent,social worker and teacher, I’ve come to see that it is wise not to pat ourselves on the back too much. Applying reasonable methods is necessary, but that doesn’t mean it always works. Kids have very different temperaments and we can’t really control what they do. We can model the behavior we want to se and provide loving guidance and boundaries, but that parent may well have done those things already…I think we control the process but not the results.

Susi December 26, 2007, 11:28 AM

Has anyone noticed that the majority of the parents who post they have few problems making their discipline work also have daughters?! As a mother of a daughter and son, I can tell you simply that boys and girls are completely different creatures. My daughter’s tantrums or bad behaviors could always be stopped with the “mom look”. No tantrums in public with her ever. If I based my whole parenting ideas on her, discipline would be easy for me too. But with my son no amount of talking, consequences or time-outs is going to prevent the sometimes inevitable tantrums he’s just going to throw. My sister-in-law and best friend who have both sons and daughters emphatically agree. We say to Jennifer: Have a son, and then you’ll be rewriting your whole article.


Charise December 26, 2007, 12:29 PM

I have to disagree with a child being scared of a parent that spanks them. Im 23 years old and growing up got plenty of spankings but they were always out of love nver to actually hurt us. Both of my parents believed in spanking but the ones from my dad were far worse BUT as I look back i can say I deserved all of them. Children will misbehave and don’t need to be spanked for every single time they misbehave but I guaranttee it will help. There is a differance between discipline and abuse.

Svaha December 28, 2007, 2:00 AM

Jennifer, bless you. You have reduced my 18 step positive discipline practice/theory into 5 easy to scan steps. You go girl!

As to the woman with a son…I long to be on your parental planet. I have a 16 year gap between kids. When I got the news I had a boy, I wept for joy! Maybe it is an African-American thing - but - boys love, respect, honor and protect their Mamas. And my son shows that stereotype true. In spite of the fact that my mother, daughter and I are so busy playing the “I’m-Not-You Game,” my son just marches along with me…he is my helper, friend, companion,and champion.

As to groceries and meltdown….never understood it. Give a kid a list; check it 2 times; make it a treasure hunt; and validate all near successes! Let them push the cart and unload it…arguments about candy? They are waaaaay too busy.

Where has the involved and creative parenting gone today? Into our consumerist, yawning sheep maws. Everything is easier with a label.

We may as well follow the British trend of blindly making accomodations to everyone….”Muslim med student?….studying any diseases related to alcohol or sexual activity would be rude….here’s your MD…go home where none of our “social evils” exist. Multi-culturalism gone way too far…don’t need it here. If you can’t parent your active child positively…by all means spank the ADHD out.

Or better yet, abandon the ADHD. Some stranger from foster care is going to spend that much time capitulating to outbursts? Don’t think so.

Walk away. Pretend you don’t know them. Find your backbone and revel in its power. And when the strangers approach saying your child is wailing for you; calmly state (loud enough for you child to hear) “NO! My child is a helpful, cooperative, loving, sweet person. That is not my child. It looks like my child. But - that creature is not my child. Turn and walk away.”

But, seriously, you don’t have to even go there. Just communicate your expectations. Be consistent. Honour the innate patterns of their day. Listen to them talk. Lovingly witness their contemplation and moments of reflective solitude. Play with them. Involve them. Hold them. Kiss them. Hug them. Honour them. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat….every hour on the hour until bed time.

Peace.


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