Grandparents Believe Mall Sighting is Caylee

 

if you wanted to steal a car, break into the car, sit down in the driver’s seat, smell the scent of a possible decomposing body, and steal the car anyway? I know I wouldn’t. I know someone out there in the country might if they were desperate, but I personally don’t know anyone that stupid that they’d steal it. If she wanted to get away with murder, she wouldn’t have left that car out for everyone to see. I am not relating to her, I am just tired of hearing all these theories from people, and hearing everyone say “she did it, I wish she’d confess. The baby is dead, tell us where the body is so she can rest in peace” when there is still hope and slight evidence that the child is alive.I mean, hey, maybe she did kill Caylee and really hopes to get away with it just like the Acid Bath Murderer hoped to, but he got caught even without the body (gall stones from his last victim), but Casey said it herself. They haven’t even found “the clothes she was wearing.” There’s no body, and no rock-solid evidence the baby is dead, and there are people around the country following this case that are still holding a candle of hope that she’s alive. Who are you people to denounce someone’s hopes and prayers and demoralize the people who believe that the missing child is alive just because you personally think she’s dead?

- Jimmy

Posted 11/26/08 07:40 PM

 

 

So it seems like those who think Casey is innocent are of the mind no body , no crime in any case ever. How can you dispure that she looked up chloroform and the trunk was saturated with it. What about coincidence. Everybody and their brother smells death including trained cadaver dogs and Casey is at the mall with kidnappers who are so dumb they parade her around.? There is a hair with a POST MORTEM DEATH band on it that coincidentally has Caylees mitrochrondial dna. Science is science people. The days of no body, no crime are long gone. Thank Goodness. Plus these compuuter searches. How many of you have looked up how to break someone’s neck? Raise your hand. I bet none of you. She not only killed Caylee she planned it.

- Julia

Posted 11/26/08 08:53 PM

 

 

Jodi, the police never said the chloroform could have come from decomposition or a bathing suit. In fact an expert said that in cleaning products there could be traces of chloroform but that the saturation in that trunk had to be pure chloroform. He said it was impossible for it to be a cleaning product. Also my cousin is a chemist and said chlorine and chloroform are not the same and would not show up as the same on tests. A decomposing would not emit enough chloroform to saturate a trunk. If anyone wants to see the article the expert chemist wrote about this case, I would be glad to email it to you. You can contact me privately at mu8duck@yahoo.com. Also, I have a pretty good side by side comparison photo of Caylee and the mall child if anyone would like to see that.It is a pretty good way to look at the photos. I hope that people do not take this wrong but in a lot of the pro defense posts I see lots of emotion and no real look at the evidence,, no one is explaining the lies, the partying, the forensics, the looking up of missing childrens sites, how to make chloroform and neck breaking and how that smell got there. You have to realize in court emotion will not carry the day, logic and forensics will. Even Cindy said today that something was decomposing in that trunk. How to explain it had her grandchild’s mtcr dna?

- Julia

Posted 11/26/08 09:21 PM

 

 

Well Jimmy now you are getting deep. Wonder if you have heard my theory as to what very well might have happened to little Caylee??? I agree that none of us truly know what Casey Anthony’s life has been like BUT I would place all my money that she did not just get that way after becoming pregnant or having little Caylee and all the responsibility that comes along with having a little one. And I would bet the other half of my money on the cause for all of Casey’s life’s problems stems from the relationship with her mom Cindy Anthony. Seeing Cindy these last 4 1/2 months I think it is pretty clear that the Anthony home was not much of a home at all. Personally Jimmy, I am not much into all the depression thingy - don’t really buy into all of it. Little Caylee was probably the best thing that happened to Casey but unfortunately because of how she felt about herself - she (Casey) was doomed from day 1. Had Casey been living away from her parents’ home perhaps then she could have been the mother she always wished she had had, to little Caylee. Mother’s like Cindy Anthony unfortunately come a dime a dozen and the monsters they create while young are completely uncontrolable once they hit 18. I have believed all along from day 1 that little Caylee was deceased yet I too still hold out hope (a miracle I guess) that she will be found alive, and soon WITHOUT any evidence whatsoever that this was all a scam from day 1, i.e. 15th June 2008. I just do not believe that that is what is the case with how George and Cindy Anthony parade around saying that they know little Caylee is still alive all the while accusing everyone else involved in this case to be the bad guys - and even placing the burden of little Caylee’s death, if her remains are found now, on the shoulders of us the general public because we listened to LE when they confirmed that the evidence they have indicates that she is deceased. And who are George Anthony, Cindy Anthony, Casey Anthony and her Defense Team to think that they can stand up in front of a camera every chance they get and tell us that what we have heard from their mouths and

- Karen

Posted 11/26/08 09:25 PM

 

 

Jimmy, you said that Casey said it herself , the police have not even found the clothes Caylee was wearing? Why would she be separated from the clothes she was wearing? This statement totally incriminates her, she obviously knows where she put the clothes and apparently they are not with Caylee’s body. Even if we assume she was kidnapped why would Casey think she was separated from the clothes she was wearing? It makes no sense.

- Julia

Posted 11/26/08 09:31 PM

 

 

To be honest, I’ve looked up some weird things, including neck breaking. I’ve learned it takes a great feat of strength to do it to a grown person. But that’s side-tracking. I am a curious person by nature, and I will be willing to admit that some things that I have looked at just to have some knowledge of it and have some insight. Julia, my argument explains the lies and the partying. The forensics is up for debate because everything the media is saying is, in my personal opinion, seemingly biased in proving she is guilty, and is omitting small bits of information that would curve the article to show neutrality, which is a good way to get responses from people like this lol. Karen, it seems you are starting to see things from a slightly more neutral position like me. This is true, she most likely didn’t get that way after becoming pregnant, but there have been a few cases where women’s personalities “change”, so to speak, after they gave birth to their child, especially if the child was unwanted, but was forcibly coerced into this world, maybe by Cindy riding Casey about having the baby. I am not a fan of the depression theory either, but in all honesty, I was a teenager once, I was depressed for a small amount of time, and I can recall what I have stated previously regarding losing something and not telling anyone and giving up hope. I never resorted to attempting suicide like my friend did, but I have been there. Here is what I will admit before continuing. My job has to do with computers and with critical thinking, which is why I am argumentative of the opposite side. I am a fan of being a devil’s advocate, and while I won’t choose a side to an argument and choose to remain neutral, I have no problem arguing either side. There IS circumstantial evidence the child is dead and she did it, but there is still some things that don’t make sense that I will stand by until they are addressed. Therefore, I’m sticking neutral, but all these people stating she’s dead and Casey is a cold-blooded killer and that she knows everything and where the girl is……maybe she really doesn’t anymore. The fact that the car was out in plain view smelling of decomposition when Casey Anthony is,

- Jimmy

Posted 11/26/08 11:11 PM

 

 

in many people’s words, a “conniving, ruthless cold-hearted murderer” and that she planned the whole thing out makes no sense. Why would you plan out a murder, dispose of the body, then leave the car alone? The argument that she wanted the car to be stolen doesn’t hold up because, again, who would want to steal a car that smells like a dead body, or as Cindy’s changed story says, a rotten pizza? And another thing that doesn’t hold up is the issue of the pool, the gas cans, the dead spots of her cell hitting the towers, and her changing of stories. She is a pathological liar, and let’s face it, she has wrapped herself up in the lies. But look at it from a distance. She is wrapping herself up so much in the lies, she is, even now, behaving like she forgot what she lied about to get herself in this predicament in the first place. The person who said the days of “no body no case” are over? I still see Drew Peterson is still out in the streets, saying Stacy left him, but people say there is evidence he murdered her. No body, no case. As for the statement she made about the clothes not even being found, this is particularly interesting because while at the same time it kind of helps her dig a deeper grave for herself, it sure confuses the hell out of everyone else, doesn’t it? Do the police believe her and search for her clothing now, in some place that she views as easily viewable? Or is she lying? The fact that she has lied and changed her story so much, and the fact that no body has been found, I believe the most she will get charged with is lying to officials and that check fraud charge. Mainly what I want to say is this. While it is evidential that she will be proven guilty based on forensic evidence, there is no provable alibi for murdering the daughter, there is no body, and all you have is a decomposition stain found by one pair of cadaver dogs, a hair, and a smelly car, and a lot of lies. Everything that I have heard from people so far regarding how guilty she is is based on their interpretation of the situation. Anyone who thinks she isn’t guilty automatically gets bashed,

- Jimmy

Posted 11/26/08 11:14 PM

 

 

If somebody really believes a child has been kidnapped, why just take a picture of the child? Why not take a picture of the kidnappers also? Then the police would know who has the child. Just a picture of a child who disappears again does the police no good. As my friend said, Cindy may have transposed a picture of Caylee on a picture of children at a mall and is saying that is Caylee. Of course, the mother hasn’t come forward to say it is her daughter because that mother is in jail. It could be a younger picture of Caylee, although it doesn’t look like her at all to me. If the picture was taken recently, I know it can’t be Caylee, because unfortunately she was dead before any of us even heard of her.

- Sally

Posted 11/26/08 11:15 PM

 

 

Continuation: flamed, and ridiculed by other forum surfers on topics regarding this case, where from a psychological point of view, her behavior and her “proof of guilt” to me can be just as easily proven as nothing more than depression, stress, and a multitude of other mental/personality disorders that she shows clear signs of. The ONLY reason why I hopped onto this site, and this topic in particular, was because of the fact that many people were denouncing those that openly expressed hope and belief that the child may still be alive, insulting them because of the simple fact that because these hopefuls believe the child may still be alive and their beliefs contrast with the nay-sayers’ beliefs, they are assumed as being wrong. On all other topics regarding this issue, anyone who says “I hope little Caylee Marie is alive and will return safely” someone immediately says afterwards, “you dummy. She’s dead. Stop hoping and let’s start praying her body will be found so she will rest in peace. Stop wishing for something that won’t happen. She’s dead and you know it.” To believe she’s alive or dead is an opinion, and until she is found alive or dead, no one is wrong and I don’t believe anyone has any right to insult someone who believes something different than them.

- Jimmy

Posted 11/26/08 11:58 PM

 

 

Continuation: flamed, and ridiculed by other forum surfers on topics regarding this case, where from a psychological point of view, her behavior and her “proof of guilt” to me can be just as easily proven as nothing more than depression, stress, and a multitude of other mental/personality disorders that she shows clear signs of. The ONLY reason why I hopped onto this site, and this topic in particular, was because of the fact that many people were denouncing those that openly expressed hope and belief that the child may still be alive, insulting them because of the simple fact that because these hopefuls believe the child may still be alive and their beliefs contrast with the nay-sayers’ beliefs, they are assumed as being wrong. On all other topics regarding this issue, anyone who says “I hope little Caylee Marie is alive and will return safely” someone immediately says afterwards, “you dummy. She’s dead. Stop hoping and let’s start praying her body will be found so she will rest in peace. Stop wishing for something that won’t happen. She’s dead and you know it.” To believe she’s alive or dead is an opinion, and until she is found alive or dead, no one is wrong and I don’t believe anyone has any right to insult someone who believes something different than them. As for pictures, if you spot someone taking a pic of a child you kidnapped, then tailed you to your home, wouldn’t you get suspicious and attempt to do them harm or threaten them to get away? I believe I stated this in an earlier post, or a post by James.

- Jimmy

Posted 11/26/08 11:59 PM

 

 

Happy Thanksgiving to all {we don’t celebrate your holiday her in Oz}. Like many…I too am guilty of detesting Casey & her family and hope that she will be convicted. BUT…you have to admit that her total lack of care about where Caylee is…coupled with her blatant lies/stealing etc…then snivelling and simpering that no one cares about her…really makes us dislike her! It is very interesting that she is not being visited by any of her family…me smells something fishy! BUT of course she wants to see Baez {who has been admonished TWICE for inappropriately touching her!}…I will always wonder what they did??? in his office 6 days/week…6 hrs each day???? Hmmmmmm! I hope that NO-ONE has put any money in her “Commish” account…she doesn’t deserve any luxuries for Thanksgiving!

- Jill from Western Australia

Posted 11/27/08 12:27 AM

 

 

Okay Jimmy your post explains everything, you like to play devil’s advocate and argue the opposite side,so it is pointless to argue logic and forensics. But,If you can realistically explain the post mortem band on that hair that has Caylee’s mtcr dna and why two cadaver dogs, a Forensics lab, her mother, her father, a detective, the tow yard guy all said it smelled like a dead body maybe I will buy your theory. However,as for the behavior evidence, you would be hard pressed to convince a jury that she was anytning but apathetic, I don’t see it as a sign of depression. She was having a blast being childless. And a jury is going to ask themselves what would I have done? Juries after all are only human and they do measure behavior by their own common sense. So if you can find a lot of jurors that could not be bothered to report her for 30 days, and busied themselves stealing checks and buying scanty panties, sunglasses and booze and partying their butt off, good luck. If you can find a jury that would say to themselves i would lie in order to keep the police from finding my child , that is consciousness of innocence., Good luck . Also what a coincidence she looked up how to make chloroform and they found massive amounts of it in her trunk. As for the looking up how to break someone’s neck, hope this does not hurt your feelings Jimmy, but that is odd, truly odd.

- Julia

Posted 11/27/08 12:37 AM

 

 

Lol it doesn’t hurt my feelings at all. I’ve looked up that, familial dysautonomia, adrenoleukodystrophy, and multiple documents on the Zodiac killer. I admit that it is weird, but I have a fascination with the things people find weird or worthless to know about. If I recall, the media is only posting that a pair of cadaver dogs found the decomposition, but I remember early reports from a news site saying that they were the second pair of cadaver dogs, the other pair found nothing, or one pair found something in the car but not the backyard, and one found something in the backyard and not the car. I see it as depression because she tried to forget what happened, and succeeded in convincing herself that it didn’t happen, and that the child is still alive. She has convinced herself of all of these fabricated stories and has blended truth with reality so that it fits in her own little world where she can be princess and have all the attention. She has shown signs of manic-depression or bipolar disorder, and probably was a spoiled brat growing up, and I do believe she is depressed and is having this happen to her. My friend who attempted to kill herself managed to forget that she was raped a week after it happened as a way of coping with the problem. Casey managed to convince herself of something that never happened. The thing is, you are right. You won’t find a jury quite like that, who believe based on that evidence that she is innocent. But I still say without a body or a solid motive and a questionable alibi based on psychological reasoning, and all you have is a post-mortem band of hair for bodily evidence, I still think that the case is difficult to pass. I honestly, and truthfully believe, that a body or a confession (leading to the body) is the only way she can be brought down. I got nothing on the chloroform, yeah it’s quite the coincidence that she looked it up and massive amounts were in the trunk, but stranger things have happened. There is always an explanation for everything, and not everything in this case has gone explained yet, which is why I am still neutral and hoping that she truly is out there and alive. And a side note for anyone asking why anyone

- Jimmy

Posted 11/27/08 01:43 AM

 

 

Edit in the above post: she has blended truth with lies, I dont know why I said reality lol Continued: anyone would kidnap a child and go to a big city in the mall with the child: The child was kidnapped in Orlando area. This mall spotting was in Jacksonville area. If you know anything about the state, you know one is in Central Florida, and the other is Northern Florida. No huge country-wide alerts have been sent out, like an Amber Alert (this is amusing. I’ve said this, like, 3 times, and still people post questions that I’ve already answered.) If a child were kidnapped in Miami and taken to a mall in Ft. Myers and no alerts were given out, only people who care enough to read cases online will know the child is even missing or what he/she looks like. Not everyone knows everything or really cares. People have lives.

- Jimmy

Posted 11/27/08 01:47 AM

 

 

On a side note, and to go along with what Jill said, Happy Thanksgiving to all! I am going to speak on behalf of my kind unit and say we hope you all have a great holiday, and enjoy what it has to offer, from those of us serving over here in Iraq. :D

- Jimmy

Posted 11/27/08 01:51 AM

 

 

Good morning Jimmy are you really over in Iraq serving? I cannot understand why such an inquisitive mind like yours would not be able to put together scenarios to explain away all the questions and doubts you have in this case. Who said that Casey’s car smelled as bad as it did on 15th July 2008 two weeks earlier when she left it in the Amscot parking lot? It is quite possible that little Caylee’s body was left in the car trunk on 27th June 2008 in the hopes that it would have been stolen — my goodness Casey sure made it appealing to any would be thief by leaving it open with purse on the front seat in plain view. See, for some strange reason (yeah by all the lies, stupid explanations and actions) I have always felt that all 4 Anthonys were involved in the cover-up as to where little Caylee’s remains are now located. I have also strongly considered the possibility that perhaps Cindy was even present or played a role in what caused little Caylee’s death. Here is what I consider to be situations which have happened in this case all a set-up. (1) the stolen gas cans so that George could report them stolen to LE and for LE to physically come out to their residence and have a look see of what was going on in that back yard (the whole gas can story which was repeated so much in the beginning of this case hold absolutely no connection to what really happened to little Caylee YET George wanted US to go figure). Remember George reported the gas cans stolen on 24th June and then after LE attended the residence to take a report Casey showed up later that very day an low and behold guess who stole the gas cans. George’s whole story of how he discovered the gas cans in Casey’s car trunk was all part of the cover-up and was done only to prove (so they hoped) that little Caylee’s dead body was NOT in that back trunk at that date; (2) Casey going next door to borrow a shovel from the neighbor - again to make it seem as though she might have been going to dig a hole to bury a body BUT by her only keeping that shovel for 45 minutes to 1 hour that theory was discarded

- Karen

Posted 11/27/08 09:33 AM

 

 

CONTINUATION: …..discarded as everyone knows that there was no way she could dig a hole big & deep enough to bury little Casey’s body in that short of time - all by herself. (2) all the cell phone calls made by Casey to her mom, dad, brother and whoever else that did not even bother to answer or to return her calls — all a set up. Cindy has often times said herself that she spoke with Casey many times in 1 day and that the first thing she would do when getting off from work was to call Casey and they would talk the whole drive home. They were best friends according to Cindy yet unfortunately Cindy must have forgotten to tell Casey that as Casey has an entirely different view and opinion of what her relationship was like with her Mom. Besides, how negligent of both Cindy and George not to have returned any of those call Casey made to them that day — she and little Caylee could have been in a terrible accident and needed help! Oh, Jimmy I could go on and on. Bottom line to me IMO little Caylee’s remains are buried right there in the back yard of the Anthony’s residence at 4937 Hopespring Drive and with all the latest developments about what Cindy has done to obviously throw spokes in LE investigation in this case - I pray that it is enough evidence to once again return to that back yard and do a more thorough dig (and I mean dig up the whole back yard, underneath the sheds and under the POOL and dig at least 5 feet deep). The kidnapping theory does not make one shred of sense that Casey has told to LE and for George & Cindy to be backing up that theory just proves to me that they are definitely in on the cover-up. George & Cindy want little Caylees remains as PROOF that she will never be coming home in this lifetime YET they accept such little proof when condemning their former family spokesman in trying to profit from all of this by accepting thousands of dollars from networks with only a mere piece of paper — where is the actual PROOF, the money going into the man’s account(s) or hands — do they have a cancelled cheque?? As long as the Anthonys get in front

- Karen

Posted 11/27/08 09:38 AM

 

 

CONTINUATION: …….As long as the Anthonys get in front of t.v. cameras and claim they are holding out hope for little Caylee to be found alive (but you will notice that they always say CAYLEE WILL BE HOME soon perhaps even before the Trial commences - that’s a little more than hope if you ask me) they are putting DOUBT in the minds of potential jurors — which is their whole plan because, like you Jimmy, they believe that without a body then she is not dead despite all the circumstantial/forensic evidence. Little Caylee is still NOT anywhere to be found alive either AND the Nanny named Zanny has vanished from the face of the earth too - YET that is what their HOPE is based on! P.S. Be safe in Iraq Jimmy and I HOPE and PRAY you return home safely. P.S.S. Excuse any typos and I see where I put Casey’s name in one instance when it should have been Caylee’s name, or vice versa, so pardon me Jimmy.

- Karen

Posted 11/27/08 09:45 AM

 

 

what the…since when do these posts have to be approved by the blog owner? lol…I don’t know where my last post ended!! :(

- Jimmy

Posted 11/27/08 05:57 PM

 

 

O…kay…I’ll try again! Haha it’s no problem about the typos. I do that every once in a while when I type and type what I’m thinking but didn’t mean to type it. And yes I’m in Iraq, I’m here until March-ish. The weather’s nice, I don’t mind it here. The reason why I can’t put together scenarios to explain all questions and doubts I have is because of the problems in continuity. This is where I will agree with you instead of argue. It has been very obvious from the very beginning that Casey was not the only one involved in the murder/disappearance of the child. Cindy’s rescinding of her statement of the smell of a dead body to a rotten pizza to garbage shows she knows something. At the same time, George’s silence is discomforting as well. The fact is that because of the family’s distortion of what happened at what time, I, nor anyone else but that family, could piece together exactly what happened since Caylee disappeared. In terms of coming up with theories or scenarios, I would rather keep my mouth shut about my own thoughts or ideas and appear stupid than to open my mouth and remove all doubt. The only reason why I spoke up here is because 1: I love arguing, and 2: I got tired of seeing people shoot down people who are optimistic about her being alive, so I began arguing from a different point of view. And I can easily say that I sure stirred up the hive and caused a bit more of an uproar than I expected (but I must say I definitely enjoyed it lol). Here is my guess at this whole thing, and I think it’s fathomable. Casey, as you stated, may have the child’s body somewhere very close by. I don’t think there’s enough evidence for them to issue a warrant to dig up the entire backyard…yet. But when she was found out and investigated, Casey began throwing out locations, names, and places that she had no correlation to. Because of this, law enforcement branched out to check out these “leads”. As they brought up the fact that she lied, her story changes. They follow those leads. After long enough, no one will listen to her, and not attempt to follow any more leads, and then the case will be built up based on lies, problems

- Jimmy

Posted 11/27/08 06:03 PM

 

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