Please Don't Hurt My Family

 

Excellent posting! And very true. I’ve spoken to many kids and many young people and they are well aware of Prop 8 and what’s happened, and here’s a news flash they are all against Prop 8. They find it “mean”. It’s adults, wait a minute, less evolved adults that have a problem with it. They can’t come to terms with it for some reason so they sound like a broken record, “marriage is between a man and a ….” Oh shut up, you’re boring me now. Fear not. It’s going change and those people that are against same sex marriage won’t be around forever, and the new crop of well evolved young people are going to change it. Thank God. :)

- Tyler

Posted 11/19/08 02:47 PM

 

 

Thank you Kate, that is exaclty what I ment. Kids do not understand these grown up things and should not made out to seem like they do. And I can tell you that I hate having to talk to my kids about this whole thing that has been all over the news. Even though my brother was gay, he did not flaunt it infront of the kids. Out of respect for them and me. And now the news talks about gay marriage and so does the schools, because of the election and I had to discuss this with them. I do not think that they are truely old enough to understand the whole thing, and they are in middle school. It’s an adult issue and the kids need to be left out of no matter what. And so you know, my kids don’t get it at all and they think it is wrong. Not because of what I say, but because of what THEY believe.

- Wendi

Posted 11/19/08 02:47 PM

 

 

Andrew you are so right! That’s all the Yes on 8 campaign did was abuse children in a horrific manner, turning them into monsters, well turning them into themselves. Anyone who hates or goes out of their way to deny rights to anybody for any reason has to go. I don’t care about your warped beliefs AT ALL. They mean nothing to me.

- Tyler

Posted 11/19/08 02:51 PM

 

 

Wendi you’re right, all the yes on 8 people did was create a big discussion in schools over this, the one thing they were trying to avoid, but we know that’s a lie now, it had nothing to do with it, they just used children in a manipulative manner, because bottom line is they’re disgusted by gay people because they’re kinky minds go to that dirty place and that’s all they say, and they don’t want “them” to have any of the same rights they have, because they are far more superior, that’s how they view it and they’re lying if they say otherwise. This has become the battle between good and evil, and we know who is evil and self-righteous in this scenario, it’s the homophobes.

- Tyler

Posted 11/19/08 02:55 PM

 

 

TO KATE: What shiny said about the back of the bus is spot-on. Separate but equal is NOT equal, it’s just plain wrong. It’s important for us to be “married” because THAT title conveys so much more, is so much easier to understand, than the terms “civil union” or “domestic partnership.” Please consider this: four years ago next month, I gave birth to a beautiful baby girl, who then passed away less than 19 hours after I had her. In the crushingly painful days that followed, my spouse fielded a phone call from the hospital regarding arrangements for the transport of our daughter’s body. I was basically incapable of speech at the time, and when my spouse told them this, and that SHE would make the arrangements, the hospital rep told my spouse (my domestic partner, my daughter’s other parent, a woman who also just lost her daughter), that because she was not listed as the “mother” or the “father,” she could not make those arrangements. This was hurtful, this was wrong, and this would NOT have happened if we were legally married, because a legally married couple can make these types of decisions, one for the other, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. These are the kinds of things that people do not think about - YES, domestic partnerships and civil unions confer many of the same rights as marriage, but they do not confer ALL of the same rights, NOR are they understood in the same way as “marriage.” And YES, we could look at this particular situation and say, “oh, let’s add that into civil unions, the right to make arrangements for a child of that union’s passing,” but there are SO many situations that we’d be adding and adding and… it’s silly. We should have the option, like anyone else, to marry, and be afforded the same respect, dignity and rights as any other legally married couple.

- cindy

Posted 11/19/08 02:55 PM

 

 

@Wendi — You said: “And now the news talks about gay marriage and so does the schools, because of the election and I had to discuss this with them.” You can thank the “Yes on Prop 8” folks for this. This wouldn’t be an issue without them bringing it into the limelight and pointing out what they find horrible about gay marriage. Had they not proposed this amendment in the first place — this would all be a non-issue.

- shiny

Posted 11/19/08 03:04 PM

 

 

HI AGAIN, KATE: Abby is a real child, as is her brother Max, and they are both happy and well-loved by their parents. I know them, and they are a beautiful family. Your assumption that this was written in Abby’s voice to elicit an emotional response is unkind and unfair. The passage of Prop 8 is what has elicited an emotional response. The people who promoted its passage by fear-mongering and telling outright lies are what has elicited an emotional response. Attempting to write discrimination into the state constitution SHOULD elicit an emotional response, and HAS. It’s also elicited an outpouring of support for equal rights for the gay community that I find heartening. I happen to agree that it’s wrong to use children to make a political statement - but it’s this woman’s right to express her sadness and confusion about the passage of a measure that DOES impact her children in a negative way. The proponents of Prop 8 kept railing about “protecting the children” and “protecting families.” Well, they have attempted to HURT the children of gay parents, and they’ve attempted to HURT those families. I say “attempted” because I am hopeful that this unfair, unkind, discriminatory and supremely wasteful (over $73 million - think of the children and families THAT money could have really “protected”) measure will be overturned.

- cindy

Posted 11/19/08 03:34 PM

 

 

Tom- This should never have been voted on by the people. The will of the people should never dictate liberty of the few. That’s what this country was founded on. This is why blacks protested for their civil rights when “the will of the people” told them they couldn’t, and this is why gays are protesting now.

- Jim

Posted 11/19/08 03:55 PM

 

 

Kate, 4-year-old Abby is not fictitious. She is a real child with two mothers.

- Shelly

Posted 11/19/08 04:17 PM

 

 

“The Law is the Law”? Tom, for real? Please… more like Hypocrisy is Hypocrisy. Do you mean like when “the will of the people” was that women should not be able to vote? If that kind of attitude held sway, the opinions of the women posting on this site would still “not count” and they’d need to rely on the white men in their lives to represent their interests at the ballot box. What’s more, if the analysts are right, conservative black and hispanic voters may have tipped the balance on this vote. If blacks were still not allowed to vote, Prop 8 might have failed and gays would still be picking up marriage licenses at city hall. Irony can be pretty ironic, eh Tom? How about this… how about you and Wendi and your friends confine your religious views to your church and your home and we’ll do the same. Let the State go ahead and protect us all equally, okay fine? Besides, if all those smart and wealthy gays are allowed to marry, they can continue to help prop up California’s economy by planning a lot more expensive and fabulous weddings. ;-)

- Abby's Dad

Posted 11/19/08 04:51 PM

 

 

Wendi, you talk about this being an adult issue and kids being too young to understand. I’m confused. Do you think that kids are too young to understand marriage, or just GAY marriage? Because, as far as I’m concerned, if we treat gay and straight marriage EXACTLY THE SAME (as we should) then kids who understand one should have no trouble understanding the other. Right? Doesn’t that simply make logical sense? Now, for the record, I’m not suggesting that we expose kids to details about gay SEX. But, on the other hand, I don’t really want little kids being exposed to STRAIGHT sex, either. Once again, it can be 100% equal without doing any harm to the kids involved…

- Anonymous

Posted 11/19/08 05:24 PM

 

 

Oops. That last entry is from me. I’m not hiding anything and didn’t intend to be anonymous.

- Andrew

Posted 11/19/08 05:27 PM

 

 

Geez…all of this talk about having to explain things to “the children”. It’s exhausting! Kids don’t need to know what the world is really like. If we spend all of our time “explaining” things like “the world isn’t really flat” or “dinosaurs don’t still exist” or “You don’t have to hate people just because I told you to”, what good can come of that? I need my children to be fearful of the world, just like my parents taught me…and their parents taught them. Just like my God. My kids need to believe that they have an angry God that will judge them harshly for making their own choices in life based on their experiences in it. Otherwise, they won’t live in fear of HIM too. I’m scared to death of my God and live my life exactly as the Bible says so that I can go to heaven and live with HIM and all of his rage. To accomplish this, I teach my children right from the good book. “Don’t wear clothes made of more than one fabric” (Leviticus 19:19), which makes shopping so much easier. “A man or a woman that is a medium, or is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones; their blood shall be upon them.” (Leviticus 20:27), so our family has loaded up the truck with rocks and we’re headed out to Hollywood to find that talented “Medium” TV star Patricia Arquette. “Don’t associate with non-Christians. Don’t receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them.” (2 John 1:10), which when taken literally, could mean that I shouldn’t even be associating with many of you on this web site. But, I choose to interpret this one as saying that I shouldn’t say “Hello” to any of you…which I haven’t. And, why am I allowed to pick and choose which quotes are to be taken literal and which ones I can interpret in a way that works for me? Well, try this on for size “A Christian can not be accused of any wrongdoing.” (Romans 8:33). So, please stop with all of the “Kids will understand gay marriage”, “Kids don’t judge”, or “Kids should be exposed to all kinds of people, countries, nationalities and religions”. It’s untrue. They don’t have to understand if we don’t let them. They won’t tolerant or be open-minded to others if

- Judgementa Crossworthy

Posted 11/19/08 06:21 PM

 

 

Abby, honey, I’m so sorry your mommy (and yes, I mean that to be singular because it is biologically impossible to have two mommies) would put your name on this manipulative piece of fiction. It is sad that she is unable to leave you out of this issue. Maybe you should ask your mommy why she is subjecting your family to what she knows will be controversy.

- Renee

Posted 11/19/08 06:24 PM

 

 

Well, the Devil must be at work, because the rest of my message was cut off…here is the rest: They don’t have to understand if we don’t let them. They won’t tolerant or be open-minded to others if we just keep telling them it’s wrong. They definitely shouldn’t experience anything new….especially people who don’t go to our church or speak our language. It’ll just confuse them. Kids are confused enough these days. Can’t we just continue to keep them living in fear of everything and everyone? It’s so much easier to control them that way.

- Judgementa Crossworthy

Posted 11/19/08 06:26 PM

 

 

Renee- Well, I guess my adopted daughter doesn’t have ANY parents since her birth parents have passed. Maybe you could take a moment and patronize her. I know it’s a lot to ask since you are so busy judging others and taking away people’s liberties and what not.

- Jerry

Posted 11/19/08 07:38 PM

 

 

Renee - I know 4 year old Abby personally. I know that she is indeed hurt and confused that her married parents have had their personal lives “re-defined” by a popular vote of ignorant fools. I know first hand that this is not fiction. You, and those who think like you, are horrible examples of human kind. I hope one day you can see clearly just what you are really doing. May your fictional god forgive you.

- Anonymous

Posted 11/19/08 07:51 PM

 

 

Abby, honey, I’m so happy that your mommies are setting such a good example of courage and principle for you. Sure, it may be a little easier if the family weren’t subjected to “controversy”. However, you, like the children of the Civil Rights movement, will grow up knowing that equality is a value worth fighting for. Even if the law doesn’t recognize it, I’m glad that you can see that your family is every bit as valid as anybody else’s!

- Andrew

Posted 11/19/08 08:38 PM

 

 

ANDREW, honey: Well said! :-) JUDGEMENTA CROSSWORTHY: Are you a comedian? Cuz sister, you are flat-out hilarious. ;-D TOM: Please ponder history - the “will of the people” as represented by the majority is not always fair. That’s why we have courts, to ensure “equal protection under the law” for everyone, including minorities. Separate but equal was deemed UNequal and UNfair. As Sherry and Abby’s Dad have already pointed out here, blacks and whites could not marry, blacks could not vote and women could not vote… if those issues had been decided by popular vote, aka the “will of the people.” And honestly, how can you NOT see that writing discrimination into the state constitution is wrong? Seriously, and with all due respect, how can you NOT see how patently wrong that is?

- cindy

Posted 11/19/08 09:06 PM

 

 

How can you even compare this to a civil rights issue? You have rights. You can vote, sit on a bus anywhere you wish, use any toilet in public and drink from a water fountain of your choosing. I am a proud black women who faces racism every day and thank the Lord that type of racism is gone. Let’s face it the real issue is that you want a piece of paper saying your married. That’s it. Lets also look at the facts, two men cant create a baby just like two women cant create a baby. You can live the way you want to live, subject yourselves to whatever you want to but when you bring children into a environment thats not natural then that is dead wrong. I’m not saying you are bad parents, you probably are raising them just fine but you need to stop and think whats going to happen to your children later in life when they are ridiculed in school for the life style their gay parents want to live. That is selfish and self centered that you would even consider to raise children knowing that. To say black and Hispanics swayed the election and an innuendo that conservative blacks should not have been allowed to vote is just racist and immoral. Blacks have suffered more that any gay or lesbian would ever know.

- Juanita Melvin

Posted 11/19/08 09:23 PM

 

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