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Body Language Expert on Casey Jail Video

Thursday, December 4, 2008
Are Casey and Cindy Anthony being honest with each other in their first July jailhouse meeting?  We asked an expert.


The Orange County Sheriff's Office has released more than 300 minutes worth of video from Casey Anthony's jail visits. The first pieces of footage made available to the public were of Casey's first meeting with her parents days after she was arrested for child neglect on July 16. In the meeting Casey continues to blame the disappearance of her daughter Caylee on "Zanni," her alleged nanny. 

Momlogic asked body language expert Dr. Lillian Glass for insight into what was really going on in Casey and Cindy Anthony's minds during this early visit. Dr. Glass' first impression was immediate. "Her body language is far too casual -- as is of course the laughter -- and shows no indication of being distraught." All of Casey's behavior, says Dr. Glass, is incongruous with the situation.

Here are some other clues into Casey's mindset:

  • In the beginning of the discussion, she fusses with her hair. This is consistent with her narcissistic tendencies.

  • When Cindy asks her if  "Zanni acted alone," Casey pauses and raises her eyebrow, which indicates she is trying to fabricate a possible lie.

  • Cindy brings up Charlotte and other locations as possible places to find Caylee. Casey shakes her head NO several times, while simultaneously agreeing they are viable locations to find Caylee.

  • Casey looks down consistently while she speaks -- the only time she truly looks directly in the camera is when her mother tells her to, so she can see her eyes.

Dr. Glass' analysis of Cindy is that her behavior is consistent with someone who is withholding information. "I believe," says Dr. Glass, "Cindy knows something about where Caylee is." Speaking in a monotone, emotionless voice and what Dr. Glass refers to as a "mask-like facial expression," Cindy flip-flops back and forth between a caring mom to an interrogator.

  • Cindy stumbles on the name "Caylee" when she asks Casey what message she'd like to send to her daughter. This indicates to Dr. Glass that Cindy knows Caylee isn't alive anymore.

  • When George casually says  "Hi gorgeous," to Casey, Cindy immediately puts her head on her husband's shoulder. This, says Dr. Glass, "indicates the family dysfunction. As soon as the father compliments the daughter, Cindy becomes jealous."

  • Casey says she doesn't want the Sheriff's Office to assist in the investigation -- asking that her brother Lee be in charge. Cindy reacts by touching her face, biting her lip and scratching her neck -- all indications to Dr. Glass that Cindy knows her daughter is lying, but is trying to hold back her true thoughts.

What do you think is telling about this Anthony family meeting?


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other case studies simular to this (not the killing) but losing touch with reality and creating thier own but still appearing normal to everyone around them… and that would also fit into her not having to take the blame, because in her mind, she didn’t do it, it was the nanny (the drug) that took Caylees life, not her. And is it possible for people if it true, to be cured? looking for answers
- Jasmine
Posted 12/09/08 11:37 AM
 
I don’t believe Cindy would physically harm Caylee. She’s got the crazy Manson eyes, true, but I think she really loves Caylee. But the question begs to be asked, “… if Caylee wasn’t with a nanny for the past two years, where was she?” You would think that anyone who was watching her, babysitting her, whatever, would have come forward by now. She was either with Casey every minute of every day or “sleeping” or playing alone somewhere. Somewhere where she couldn’t get hurt? It’s been awhile since my kids were three years old. What time do they go to bed at that age? Do they still nap at that age? Also, something else I don’t understand. Casey doesn’t strike me as overly intelligent. And yet somehow she has managed to keep the whereabouts and the mean and manner of Caylee’s disappearance to herself. If anyone else knows, they too are staying silent. This is in the face of seasoned detectives. No one has been able to “break her.” Is she smarter than we give her credit for or has she just been lucky so far?
- Jaded Envy
Posted 12/09/08 05:06 PM
 
The one thing Dr. Glass forgot to tell you, or you forgot to tell your readers, is that body language gives some clues but isn’t an exact science. She really needs to know what Casey and Cindy’s “typical” body language is before she can even be semi-accurate with the jail house videos. Body Language is only a tool and not the answer.
- Linn
Posted 12/10/08 12:35 AM
 
I wonder if Baez is going to go for an insanity defense saying Casey had a split personality. Maybe he’ll say Zanny the Nanny was one of Casey’s alters. George said Casey put down “nanny” as one of her occupations on her job resume. Nobody has seen this so-called nanny but Casey and she has no address, phone numbers or emails from the nanny. Maybe, they will also say she is also Juliette Lewis, the fictitious coworker she claims she worked with at Universal as an event planner. She was never an event planner at Universal. In 2005, she worked for Kodak taking pictures at Universal of people who got off rides. The only Juliette Lewis I’ve heard of is a movie star and as far as I know she didn’t know Casey Anthony. The death penalty defense argument alluded to the fact that she has been depressed and acting strange since Casey was born. Maybe Baez will argue the trauma of having a baby she didn’t want triggered a split personality. With Cindy and George earning money selling Caylee’s picture to national TV stations, maybe Baez can afford to pay a psychiatrist to lie and say Casey has a split personality. That is almost as unbelievable as the Zanny the Nanny kidnapped her and she is alive and traveling all over the US defense.
- Sally
Posted 12/10/08 09:44 AM
 
Casey is so confused !! Her plan A … didn’t pan out and she didn’t have enough time to come up with plan B .. and it just got all stupid. from dropping Caylee off at zany’s to zany and her sister samantha kidnapping Caylee. If you really stop and think about it her plan A is pretty easy. (She parks her car by a dumpster in a busy check cashing place. Leaves her keys and her purse on the front seat in hopes her car would be stolen .. that would solve all her problems, all she has to say is she got her car ripped with caylee in it and they killed her.) But it didn’t pan out and the car was towed before stolen. I really think zany was plan B and she didn’t have time to think it all out and it just turned out to be a bunch of stupid crazy lies after lies trying to cover more lies. I think Caylee was killed accidently by an over dose and in sheer panic Casey went out of control … remember she is only 23. A live-in mom being taken care of by Mom & Dad. I also believe Casey was a good Mom gone wild. Casey is a high school drop out … she has been home with her family for years taking care of a baby (thats why babies shouldn’t be birthing babies))so all that knew Casey like her family and close friends seen Casey as a perfect mother. (Till Casey met a differant group of people) Thats when they noticed the change in Casey … She started going out … making the family watch the baby … stealing money … drinking and party’s … These new friends are differant than Casey’s little world … They are college students … some with careers … Casey felt bad of being a high school dropout .. a mom and stuck at home with no job no life. Amy her friend she stole from, had money was able travel and wanted Casey to go with her, But Casey couldn’t go .. She was stuck with a baby and no money. when Cindy started coming down on Casey about stealing money and the parties and she was sick of watching Caylee every night. Casey got desperate and started druging Caylee …… 1 time to many and she accidently
- Macy
Posted 12/10/08 08:06 PM
 
Casey Anthony is not a terrified, scared, concerned mother. She is a self centered narcissist who is enjoying the havoc she is creating by not telling her secret about what happened to little Caylee. Does anyone remember the case of Lindy from Australia? The dingo that got her baby? Well in that case, law enforcement did not do what was right and they blamed her for her baby’s death. Now, when Lindy was confronted about this, she was distraught, dazed, didn’t want to leave the camp site, and stood around worrying for hours in her night gown in the freezing cold. There was no consoling that woman! Even when they accused her, she didn’t care. All she cared about was what happened to her poor baby. Casey is the polar opposite. She doesn’t speak Caylee’s name. She doesn’t really even talk at all. She goes round and round with pointless rhetoric that makes no sense. She’s drowning everyone including the investigators in words. I have to say I’m totally intrigued by Casey because of the volume of her lies. What Casey doesn’t understand is that she is at the end. She will go to prison, she will be there for a very very long time. She wont be beautiful, she wont be free. Isn’t that what started this? She wanted a glamerous life without her child. She wont ever have it now. I think she should tell her story however horrible. The whole world is watching and we want to know, because everyone has adopted Caylee at this point. Everyone has taken her in as their own precious daughter, she is loved. But, Casey! God, if I could be in a room alone with her the things I would say! What a loser! No education, no direction, no future, no goals. Knocked up at 19, no idea who the father is probably thats why no one ever knew. Disfunction to the highest degree in that family. I’m glad Casey is in jail, I wouldn’t want to cross her path someday…
- Sarah
Posted 12/11/08 10:02 AM
 
I live in Titusville, FL. About 45 minutes outside of Orlando. Up untill recently, I was not following this case in the least bit. Over the past week I have started following it and reading as much as I could about it. I’ve always suspected that Caylee was dead. But what really has my attention drawn is exactly the detail in which the case will unfold. Was it an accidental death ? Was it premeditated ? Are we seeing the signs of a severe mental breakdown from Casey in the fact that it was accidental and the result is a panic’ed false sense of reality ? Or is she a cold blooded calculated murdered ?? We all can only speculate as to the truth and where exactly it lays, but one thing we can all say is, that the attention it has drawn, has been overwhelming. I’m a father of 2. I have a 13 year old son & a 7 year old daughter. My daughter is type 1 diabetic. My wife & I, often times cant sleep through the night without a quick peek in her room. If only to see her snuggled in her bed. Most times she ends up in our bed at some point in the night too. I’m very hard on my children. But it’s to keep them in check and as they get older they’ll know it was purely out of love and protection of them. What has really drawn my attention about this case is how relative it is to myself and my children. How I now look at my daughter and how thankful I am that she is close to home and ok. If it were my child, grandchild etc.. I can only speculate as to how I would react. Most of us commenting all have an “ideal” way we would be reacting if it were us in the same situation. But that is just it, we dont know for sure. It’s like saying how we would have reacted on 9/11 in the planes. Obviously the people didnt react how we often times thought we ourselves would have. Because in the face of adversity, we only know as much as we can experience. Everything about their body language, etc.. is all “reaction” not “calculation”. I tend to agree with the “theory” of the body language. But I dont agree totally with it
- Concerned Father
Posted 12/16/08 11:29 AM
 
what kind of mother would not know where thier child is and who they left them with.i’m 18 a mother of two and once you become a mother there is no such thing as “partying”. it’s called motherhood… if you didn’t want responsabilities why did you open your legs
- stephanie lopez
Posted 12/18/08 12:25 PM
 
Well Jade, guess you were wrong about the aligators and where Caylee was dumped. People jump to conclusions so easy. I agree Casey is guilty but all these speculations are crude and unwarranted. Have a heart, this is a human person you are talking about. They knew they were being recorded and tried to put on a good show. They look and sound SO FAKE. Cindy is acting so nicey nice it makes me sick. Casey needs someone to really shake her up. I cant wait til she’s in court. I just hope she gets what she deserves in prison. Can you imagine, she probably killed Caylee with chloraform so she could party..took her little body out by the river, stripped her clothes off and fed her to those alligators that were lerking around.. SHE PUT THOSE BEADS ON THE TREE!!!WHY DOESN’T THE FBI GO TO THE ANTHONY HOME AND IDENTIFY THE REST OF THEM? Oh yes, Cindy probably has gotten rid of those!!!There will be nothing left of Caylee after the gators ate her and Casey burned her clothes? - jade
- Linda
Posted 12/19/08 09:14 AM
 
What was the reason ,what was the point of killing that precisous baby??????? I would love to smack thoses smiles off Casey’s face.
- Jane
Posted 12/19/08 01:16 PM
 
Its obvious that she is suffering from a deep narcissitic tendousy complex so sever that it cause her to kill her daughter because her parents and everybody around her was paying too much attention to Caylee. Caylee replaced her as their favorite they doted too much attention after spoiling their daughter rotten for so long when Caylee took center stage not only in her Granparents lives but everybody who encountered her was smitten by Cayless’s charm and beauty an innocence, this was too much for her mother who decided to get rid of her competition once and for all by killing her in the video interview she seems to relish at the tought that she had fooled people even the most seansoned authorities for so long with her lies on innocence. Look in her eyes you can see that she is insane with jealousy over the attention even in death over th coverage that Caylee id getting verses her. I think her husband boy friend or who ever thet guy is really supposedto be to her help gt rid of the body in the bag found by the meter reader that Caylee’s girl friend told then they used to go off in the woods to play. The police dropped the ball on this and her GrandParents were in such a state o
- kjr@hawaii.edu
Posted 12/20/08 05:15 AM
 
Casey Anthony is a real “dirt bag” and liar. She knows she killed her little girl, Caylee, because of all the pre-fabricated lies she has told. What kind of mother kills a child as beautiful as little Caylee was? One without a heart and soul—only interested in her own selfish life. Somebody who partied demonstratively after her little girl went missing. I hope the prosecution reinstates the death penalty for Casey Anthony because she deserves to die for the viscious sin she committed. At the same time, I hope God damns her to eternal suffering.
- Rosemarie A Stone
Posted 12/20/08 04:05 PM
 
First off …I think that most likely Cindy Anthony had a “feeling” about her daughter and granddaughter from day one or she would not have called the cops and tried anything that she could to bring her daughter in…Statements such as..what have you done? Or..something is wrong..the car smells like a dead body…So obviously Cindy Anthony suspected her own daughter..which is similair to your report that she knew..so..she confronted Casey in jail and not only did they all have to be wary of the camera’s watching but Cindy had to coax Caylee into a possible confession or more information..therefore..in that case there would be a tendency to walk on eggshells for her while gathering information ..and about appearing not completely honest?..because she was almost undercover appearing as everything was alright to her daughter..and when dad calls her gorgeous..it is true how they ultimately want to love Casey and stand by her side but..how can they when they are in a rock and hard spot because she has murdered their grandchild? They love them both and only want to find the truth..How difficult would it be to believe the daughter that you raised murdered your granddaughter..and if you suspected this..and you were deligent enough to call the police and TRY to get her arrested then..you would put on a mask and interview your daughter in some possible hope you could save your granddaughter and maybe even your daughter..because that would be the most instinctive reaction to do would to be to try to gather information to save them both in an episode of denial… Not to mention I know plenty of people who use the term to try and “reach out to others”..I am realistic..I am real..and I know when it is being taken too far…and let me tell you I think that Casey right out MURDERED her daughter and not by accident…but I am realistic of her parents conflicting feelings in the story. They may have come to their own conclusions like the rest of America..THey do know ..just as we know..we all know..it is not a secret..but they will try not to let their daughter who is what they have left in this mess..die from capitol punishment and instead hope she will get some help..and hope to god it is not her who killed Caylee..because..that is ultimately too much for any parent or grandparent to bare..They have not only
- Kim Bridges
Posted 12/22/08 06:09 AM
 
Why hasn’t anyone investigated LEE ANTHONY as the biological father yet. Seems to me that he would be willing to do most anything for his sister, Casey to keep her from exposing their secret. I believe he assisted her and knew the exact location of the body. I believe the brother and the sister had sexual relations and Casey murdered the child because she doesn’t want the public to know. Most mothers know who fathered their child and would properly seek child support. Why didn’t she?
- BILL for JUSTICE
Posted 12/30/08 06:50 PM
 
Recently there has been pictures taken of the presumed same location in the woods where the skeleton remains of Caylee were found. A Private Investigator who was hired by the Anthony family. I am wondering why the private investigator was being directed by the family to go into those woods. I was under the impression that the Anthony family was only searching for a “Live” Caylee, so why were they focusing in the woods. This family apparently knows much more then anyone suspected.
- Cindy from SEATTLE
Posted 12/30/08 06:52 PM
 
Very good Cindy…I agree with your insight and questions. As for the involvment of the meter reader…I am not too sure what to think about that story. As for this investigator who has proof that the bag was not there in Novemeber is a farce thrown in to confuse the public (there is so much hate for Casey) and for the defense team to make only more allegtions and build a strong defense built on lies and more lies. This case just makes my stomache ache. One thing I am very sure of is that Casey did kill that child…why or how it happened??? There is too many plausible avenues to explore. I am just very at peace with the knowledge that Caylee does not have to live in the sin and the darkness of that family. Caylee is the innocent one here no matter what actually happened and for me to know that she is safe from this familys dysfunctional darkness does put my spirit at ease. But one question that I do have??? Just how long has Casey been a victim to this darkness and sin? Like I said it make my stomache hurt just to delve into the Anthony’s sins.
- Kimberly
Posted 12/31/08 03:02 PM
 
From what I’ve gathered about the Anthonys is that they are a bunch of liars when talking in front of a camera. When they first visit Casey they knew it would get out because the jail has posted signs everywhere and what a better way to keep saying Casey is innocent is by visiting her and sounding like they are looking for Caylee and the invisible nanny,just talk in front of the camera in jail and th world will see it. I said from the begining that Cindy had a fight with Casey and Casey left the house with Caylee and watched her parents leave so she could go back and kill Caylee out of spite. Her hating her mom was the last straw for Caylee now and Casey figured that if she didn’t get her way well Caylee wouldn’t either. I still say Cindy , George and Lee knew about Caylee dying after Casey came home from jail the first time, because if you notice their actions when she was in jail and the phone calls. When she was released they changed their tone to it was pizza in the trunk and I didn’t spell anything like death I was just overreacting to the police when they wouldn’t come quickly to my house . Yeah Right Cindy ! Your daughter killed your grandchild because she despised you and the rest of the nutty family. She thought she would always have it her way until Cindy and George wouldn’t watch Caylee for her anymore and they notice things disappearing from the home. This family is one of the Vindictive families I heard of. They remind me of the traveling families that can’t stay still and settle down because they get into to much trouble. This family will lie cheat and steal from anyone who comes into contact with them. What family do you know of make a living off of their dead love ones to gain happiness and to squeeze out of trouble. The Anthonys
- Alyce51
Posted 01/07/09 09:20 AM
 
When Cindy asked Casey to look her in the eyes, she starts to cry. I knew at that moment she was quilty. Has George given DNA? I think he may be the father and that’s why Cindy held the baby first. What a tangled web of lies.
- Grandmother
Posted 01/15/09 03:46 PM
 
OK I CAN’T TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!! Let me tell you what it’s like for us worried grandparents in FLORIDA!!!! I have a daughter that could be Caseys twin in almost everyway, though I really can’t see her hurting or even hitting her child, there are MANY OTHER CONCERNS, like her sleeping or just being TOO LAZY to care for her daughter, so I had to just take over. When I tried to get DCFS to force her to take classes ect.. I was treated like a dog. I also walk on egg shells with her, EVERYTHING sets her off and right away it’s I’m taking my child away from here. She was a living hell as a teen and no better now. If you wonder why Cindy didn’t do more to take control of Casey or to have any say so about Caylee, take it from me, SHE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN NO HELP FROM THE STATE OF FLORIDA,,, AND I MEAN NONE. My husband slaped my daughter at 17 for using the F word with him, long story short the cop told him that in Florida you better not slap your teen (UNLESS YOU WANT TO SIT IN JAIL). If we told her she was grounded, she laughed at us. We locked our doors (one night that she stayed out) at 2 am, at 3:45am a cop woke us to tell us if we did it again we would be arrested. My daughter stold my visa and spent over $3000 on a 47 year old woman that was letting teens sleep at her house and hang out there instead of going to school, I couldn’t recover 1 cent from her, as far as I know she (the 47 yr old)is still doing the same thing. I am telling you Cindy’s hands were tied in this state. Only the kids have rights, not the parents and for sure not the grandparents. I spent about $7000 on therapy all waisted. Even now, I can’t move out of state, because I know my granddaughter will be the one who will pay if I do. I would bet my life it was the same way in Cindys house.
- Cindy 2
Posted 01/19/09 10:08 PM
 
what worries me when i read some of these comments is people like you could end up on the jury and there would never be justice for caylee.
- Anonymous
Posted 01/25/09 01:29 AM

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