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Social Services Allow Octuplets in Home?

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It's hard to even visualize 17 people living a two bedroom house, so we called Dr. Charles Sophy, Medical Director for the Los Angeles County Department of Children and Family Services (DCFS), to find out if this is even legal!

kids and house

Dr. Sophy tells us "The Department of Children and Family Services has to look at every family situation keeping a safety and risk perspective -- as long as the kids are safe then it is OK, unless there is a risk for abuse or neglect including physical, emotional, medical and or educational."

Dr. Sophy shared with us "We keep a close eye on multiple births that are in the news, because there is a chance we will be called to go in and assess the situation. Anyone can call the hotline and that's when we go in as a team with standardized tools to assess the safety and risk of the children. We don't go in there to dismantle the family, but we go in there to support the family. We use a strength-based model and set them up to succeed so we aren't back out there in two months."

After talking to Dr. Sophy, we learned there's no set of rules in California regarding the number of children who can sleep in one bed or number of people in a house, BUT they all must be physically and medically safe.

How do you feel about 17 people living in one house?

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63 comments so far | Post a comment now
Anonymous January 29, 2009, 3:07 PM

If you think that 17 people living in a house could be illegal you must be really out of touch with how poor people in America live.

Disgusted January 29, 2009, 3:08 PM

Whoever called social services should be ashamed!! Just because a family has many children living in one home does not make them unfit. How many families in the past have had 13-15 children in two bedroom homes and they all thrived and were happy. The mentality of needing lots of room and “private space” for everyone is what has led to the downfall of our economy. Leave this poor mother alone!!!!!! “Is this even legal?!” You have got to be kidding me.

birdsfly January 29, 2009, 3:12 PM

It hasn’t been that long since each child having their own room was nowhere near the norm. It hasn’t even been that long since it was common for parents and children to share a single room. Just because they are going to be tight on space doesn’t mean they will be abused or short on love.

What January 29, 2009, 3:53 PM

I don’t feel nearly as pissy about 17 people living in one house, as I do you calling up and trying to start stuff for this family.

Belinda January 29, 2009, 4:17 PM

Unless these people are planning to support all 8 children themselves I would consider them highly irresponsible and selfish! Imagine if everyone had that many babies!
Don’t expect the “govt” to bail you out.
There are more pressing problems in this world.

WTF January 29, 2009, 4:44 PM

Have you ever had the state involved with you or your children? it’s aweful. If they even suspect anything is slightly amiss, they have the right to remove chidren from the home. Have you ever had your children removed from your home while they are crying and screaming for their mommy?

How dare you raise questions about a family that you have absolutley no knowledge of? How dare you throw these people into the radar of CPS? What is wrong with you people?

Anonymous January 29, 2009, 5:02 PM

Another example of wealthy Southern CA Women who have all kinds of things to say about how people choose to live while they wallow in their self-absorbed lives. The world would be a better place, quite frankly, if the women at momlogic took care of their own over-indulged, soon to be the next ME-GENERATION children, and left the rest of the population; with their JCPenney jeans and more then 2.5 children and religious and morals choices to themselves. You should go back to the “cocktail choice of the week”, and where to get the “celebrities’ kids’ looks for less” and leave the social commentary and political opinions to actual well read and informed persons.

Mr. Ed January 29, 2009, 5:23 PM

By your question, you seem to think that County Social Services has the right or ability to regulate the number of children a woman can have. Nothing could be further from the truth! Social Services can only step in when there is a reasonable suspicion of neglect or abuse; even then, children who are taken from the home are often put to sleep on the floors of offices and police stations until a place is found for them.

amina January 29, 2009, 7:23 PM

I must admit that when I heard of such a miracle and that the mother decided not be in the public eye.I was thinking this was a smart idea and that the family was lucky to not need any type of financial help.Specially in this economic time.but how in the hell could you be so irresponsible to live off of your parents with 6 other kids and single.that is as ghetto as it gets.Shame on you mother of 14. living in a 2-3bedroom.I fell that is selfish and she is giving her parents an early funeral!!!!!

not surprised January 29, 2009, 8:23 PM

just another example of people living beyond thier means and expectingthe community to “bail them out” when the gravy train comes to a screeching halt. with 6 kids at home already she’s obviously not working, so her parents are probably already claiming her and her 6 kids as dependents, now they have 8 more. They’re not paying any taxes for sure. Oh well, as long as I have paved roads, free public education for my children, and the gov’t stays out of my business, my tax money is well spent as far as I’m concerned…

Lilathe January 29, 2009, 8:37 PM

Social services has absolutely no business being involved in these people’s lives unless the doctors at the hospital call.
The rest of you need to just mind your own business, the other children appear to have been well taken care of and wanted. More than I can say about a lot of Yuppie’s children I have seen lately. All the yuppie parents seem to want to do is get their “me” time away from their kids and toss money at them as they pass.

Cathy Alcorn January 29, 2009, 8:49 PM

Whomever decided to find out information as to the legalities of 17 in the same home must be bored out of their wits.

Sounds like they need something worthwhile to do in their life if they stoop this low.

Get a grip - what about during the depression when it was the norm for grandparents, their children and their childrens children shared the same home.

I am in my 60’s and I have a friend at church that is in the same age catagory and grew up in an apartment in Maryland as one of nine children.

People need to mind their own homes and own business.

Anne January 29, 2009, 9:39 PM

I CANNOT believe you called social services about this family. This is completely and utterly uncalled for. Mom Logic should really be ashamed. This is the worst mom site I’ve ever read. Unbelievable!

Just me January 29, 2009, 10:04 PM

Social services SHOULD have been called on this family. Regardless of the mother’s marital and financial status, this is highly questionable behavior.

jdypat January 29, 2009, 11:17 PM

The dr who instrumented this birth should be taken out of business. This is a disgusting and pitiful thing to happen to a woman and to the kids.
Each and every one of them will suffer because of this “miracle” birth.

Chrissy January 30, 2009, 1:33 AM

It standard practice for most hospitals to send a nurse to the home of a multiple birth after the babies are discharged. Since most multuple birth babies are premature/low birth rate or have complications. Or any baby born “at risk”. Even offered to first time parents.

Kara January 30, 2009, 8:29 AM

This is just ridiculous! Unless their house is filthy or the kids are in danger why is this even an issue??? I may not agree that they should have had a multiple birth such as this but I am also aware of the fact that we live in America and I cannot tell anyone else what to do with their lives - the really interesting part of that is that I (and no one else either) is in a position to judge anybody else. Was it right? Who can honestly say for sure? Are they good parents is the better question? Will they love all of their children and care for them properly?? That is my only concern and the rest of it is none of my business nor anyone elses.

Jody January 30, 2009, 10:06 AM

There are individual children living in 2 parent homes with plenty of bedrooms, getting MURDERED by their own parents, and people are so concerned about issues such as this?

This woman was probably so excited to have these babies just to give birth and face criticism from the public who know NOTHING about her personal life. She has a roof over her babies’ heads, and they have family who loves them and will provide for them. Who is anyone to judge?

A January 30, 2009, 10:09 AM

First of all can we quit treating this woman like a martyr, she still has her kids and no one has taken them away.I agree(especially after watching a family member who was wrongly accused deal with the system) calling CPS might be extreme but people SHOULD be concerned when stories of single moms living with her parents brings another 8 kids into one house.No one should think that 6 or 8 children to one bedroom is normal. That was our parents/grandparents generation, we are in a new millinium and a new green era and need to start thinking as such. We now know that mankind is ruining the earth just by being and she brings 14 more to put a strain on a planet that is already full… that we only have 1 of! Aren’t there droughts going on in California right now as we speak and now 8 more want to drink. And what about the health of those involved? Having 8 kids isn’t just bad for the mothers body, there are huge possibilities for long term negative effects on the babies. Last,for all of you who gush over her and her “miracle” babies need to get a tissue and stop crying. These are not miracle babies they are the result of women monkey-ing around with science.

birdsfly January 30, 2009, 10:29 AM

Well “A” must have loving well adjusted children… I wonder if they tell them daily what a blight they are on the planet?

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