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Octuplets' Mom's IVF Clinic Revealed

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Her fertility doctor is now under fire.

octuplets IVF clinic doctor

Octuplets' mom Nadya Suleman told NBC in an interview that aired this morning that she sought treatment at a Beverly Hills clinic for all her in vitro fertilization procedures, including the one that resulted in the birth of octuplets.

The 33-year-old said she went to West Coast Infertility Medical Clinic -- now named West Coast IVF Clinic -- headed by Michael M. Kamrava, reports the LA Times. He describes himself on his website as "an internationally recognized leader in the field of in vitro fertilization" who has helped pioneer "breakthrough technology that revolutionized IVF, reducing risks to both the mother and child." That procedure also helped reduce costs, according to the website.

According to statistics collected by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control, his clinics performed 20 in vitro procedures in 2006 on women under 35. Of those procedures, four resulted in pregnancies and only two of those resulted in birth. One of those women delivered twins. His pregnancy rate and live birth rate are far below the national average, according to the statistics.

At the same time, the average number of embryos that he transferred per procedure -- 3.5 -- was among the highest in the country for women under 35. Fertility specialists say that a high number of embryo transfers usually reflects either a patient population with an especially poor prognosis or problems with the laboratory.

Medical guidelines established by the American Society of Reproductive Medicine recommend transferring no more than two embryos per procedure in women under 35 except in "extraordinary circumstances."

Suleman told NBC's Ann Curry that her treatment was "very appropriate." He implanted six embryos, which she had remaining from previous procedures because of her medical history, which include miscarriages and scarred fallopian tubes.

"At the time I was so focused, so fixated on wanting so many that I just kept going," Suleman said. Because the success rates are low, Suleman said, "the most I would have ever anticipated would have been twins. It wasn't twins times four."

She said implanting that many embryos, even after having six young children at home, was "nothing different" from before.

"He did nothing different," she said.

Kamrava could not be reached for comment this morning.

Local news station KTLA released video today showing Suleman at the clinic in 2006 talking about the in vitro process.


"I was slightly pessimistic, then I realized, yeah, it worked," she said in the interview, which also showed two of her children.

How did she afford IVF, you ask? According to the clinic's website, they offer:

* Line of credit with affordable monthly payments
* No prepayment penalty
* 90 days, 6 months, and 12 months same as cash with 0% interest

Do you think this doctor was unethical in implanting so many embryos in Nadya Suleman? Tell us what you think!


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36 comments so far | Post a comment now
Veronica February 9, 2009, 6:16 PM

This doctor should loose his license. He was greatly responsible for this mess.

Donna February 9, 2009, 7:45 PM

he should be forced to pay child support, he created these kids after all. This mommy lives in some fantasy world where she somehow believes she looks like Angelina Jolie, the only thing they have in common is they both have pulses. You can tell she has practiced AJ’s mannerisms and she attempted copy her lips but maybe she used the fertility dr for her plastic surgery needs as well. She is delusional, they should not let her take these kids home, she CANNOT take care of 14 kids!

Anonymous February 10, 2009, 1:36 AM

I THINK THIS LADY SHOULDNT BE HEPLED OUT FOR CRAP! WITH THE ECONOMY BIENG THE WAY IT IS, WHAT THE HECK WAS SHE THINKING.. IN THAT CASE LETS ALL GET PREGO AND EXPECT PEOPLE TO HELP US! SHEESH!

anonymous February 10, 2009, 3:03 AM

unbelievable. My tax dollars are going to pay for a selfish woman who has no concept of the cost of raising children. Why should we help pay for her 14!! children? If you cannot afford raising the children on your own, you should have them to begin with. I agree that the doctor should be responsible in helping raising these children because I don’t want my tax money to go towards something so irresponsible.

Anonymous February 10, 2009, 3:17 AM

it should be illegal for a single woman with 6 kids already to get this procedure done. also how did she pay for this ?

Cey February 10, 2009, 3:51 AM

Ok. what tax dollars are going to her that are not going to everyone? For your information 75% of our budget goes to the military and 1% goes to welfare. Also, if people (especially moms) can’t stick together then what is left? Why is there such anger towards this woman? Why is it any of our business? How many of you that have commented have a college degree like she has and is working on your masters degree AND you have more than the average 2 kids?

Just shut up. Children are a blessing and if she had 8 expecting 2 then what the heck is the problem? Are you all angered because she did not abort the babies? I mean what gives? People who speak out against children and single mothers are purely hateful and cruel. Why don’t you protest ALL UN-NATURAL methods of becoming pregnant instead of targeting this mother who loves her children. Hey let’s outlaw fertility treatment all together. Oh, you can’t stand that huh?

It wasn’t that many yeas ago that it was OK to have a large family and now its EVIL and SELFISH?

Her mother has even stated that she loves her children even though she does not want to help her daughter out.

I reiterate, Because she didn’t want to abort the rest of the babies makes her bad and selfish?

Wasn’t Kate (Jon and Kate plus 8) criticized also. But know people watch them on TV.

What about the Duggers, they had all of their children naturally and they are also criticized.

You can’t win in this so called FREE country where a woman’s uterus is her uterus and should not be the subject of a woman with their own uterus writing HATEFUL blogs.

I read a post where a person stated that the US should put a limit on children born naturally. Maybe the limit should be 5 she stated. But we don’t have a limit on abortion! Wow, can I say what is up with that??!!

People say it’s because she’s single, that’s why she shouldn’t have so many kids..ok um..the Duggers were criticized and Jon and Kate plus 8. Oh, it’s because she already had kids…um ok, so did Kate.

It’s because she’s on welfare…um..ok she states she’s not on welfare, nor has she ever been. NEXT!

Oh, it’s because she’s not married…um ok, she was married, got a divorce and chose not to marry again. Aren’t there many of people who have done the same thing.

Last time I checked, there was not a lock on a woman’s uterus because she is single.

So why all the HATRED, DEATH THREATS, and CRITICISM….keep reading…


Ok, so since we are all giving out our opinion. This is mine..I think that EVERYONE who speaks out negatively about her and her children HATE children and don’t want to see them thrive and live a good life with a mother who WANTS them and LOVES them. I mean what other reason would there be to be so negative and hateful?

The opposite of what is happening now would be for all of the children to NOT be alive…right? Right now they are alive and in good condition, some are feeding ok, etc…I mean is that what all you HATEFUL BLOGGERS, COMMENTING HYPOCRITES WANT?

So to all you who will post after this, it is NOT your business. Her uterus is none of your business. And keep your negative, child hating, single mother hating, family hating to yourself.

AND to Nadya Suleman..More power to you girlfriend. Keep loving your children, they are here for a reason! Always remember that. One of your children my have to operate on one of these HATEFUL people. One of your children may be an attorney for one of these HATEFUL people. One of your children could be a nurse for one of these HATEFUL people. People need to mind their own business.

Thanks,

College Educated in the fields of Sociology and Psychology and a HAPPY MARRIED MOTHER of 5 (born naturally)



Vger February 10, 2009, 8:41 AM

How did she pay for this, you ask? Simple. She used her workman’s comp money for her IVF and plastic surgery, but not a penny for her first six puppies. What I want to know is this; how does a woman with an already injured back (her claim) go through such a pregnancy as this one? Can anyone spell “FRAUD”??? The state of California should demand its money back for all those WC payments.

crudeco February 10, 2009, 10:01 AM

The greatest gift this woman could give, is to allow all but one child to be adopted to seven new couples. Imagine the gift she could give not only deserving couples who have waited to have their own child, but imagine the gift she’d give each of her own children.

After all, she indicates that she wanted one more girl to add to her growing tribe, she could keep the girl she wanted and give the rest a bright future.

Mamma Pumpkin February 10, 2009, 10:05 AM

This woman should be made to pay back all disability payments and there should be court oversight into her parenting. Clearly she is mentally unstable, has an Angelina Jolie fixation, and has committed fraud on the state. In one breath she aspounds how she doesn’t get any state help (apparently she doesn’t count disability as aid) and in the next breath she tells reporters “if someone wants to help my kids with gifts of strollers, etc.”….she is a criminal, plain and simple. To boot, no one has addressed the autistic child she already has. The doctor should lose his license and she should lose custody of these kids. Unfortunately, the bleeding hearts in society will take her crocodile tears seriously and reward her sickening behavior with cash, gifts, homes, cars and college educations! This from the state that can’t even pay tax paying citizens their due refunds! I’m disgusted!

emily February 10, 2009, 10:26 AM

I think the clininc was irresponsible for implanting so many. Given she had six times had IVF work.

I also think that my problem with her is her EXPECTING now everyone else to raise and pay for the kids. I do think she is irrespsonsible.

Momof2 February 10, 2009, 10:42 AM

She had scarred fallopian tubes, a history of miscarriages and 6 children.. and yet she was still a VIABLE candidate for invitro? That makes absolutely NO SENSE. That woman is a disgrace and a mental case. I hope to heaven those children are removed from her care and placed in loving homes. It’s almost like she’s got Munchausen except its all about her having babies than making them ill. This whole story just makes me sick to my stomach.

theherbalkitty February 10, 2009, 11:13 AM

To Crudeco: these aren’t puppies where you get to choose the cutest one and sell/give away the rest; these are her own flesh and blood.
To Everyone else who is ranting and raving that Nadya’s children should be taken away from them I’m hearing a faint echo of history repeating itself. Though the family circumstances are different, I can’t help being reminded of the Dionne quintuplets. For those of you unfamiliar with it, back in the Great Depression in the 1930’s, a poor dirt farmer, Oliva Dionne, and his wife, Elzire, became the proud parents of a set of quintuplets. In this case, they were born naturally but it was such an anomaly that public interest was stirred and the Canadian government decided to take these children away from their parents. Like everyone here, the Canadian gov’t was looking at numbers. The Dionnes already had 6 children. They were barely making ends meet and the gov’t’s reasoning was that they could never adaquately care for 5 more. They removed these children from their parents’ home, built a facility across the street from their farm and created a side show environment in which to raise the children where hordes of people traveled from all over the world to view the quintuplets (though their parents and siblings were barred) through double-faced glass while the Canadian gov’t made millions off of them. When they were 10, they were returned to their family. Though still beautiful children, they were no longer the cutesy little toddlers that attracted the masses. Of course, nobody here is suggesting we make a peep show out of them; that’s happening with the media already. However, I am reminded of something Mrs. Dionne once said in an interview that if she had had 5 babies, one at a time, the gov’t wouldn’t have cared at all. Had Nadya had 8 more babies, individually, there would be no media coverage and nobody would be complaining about them…

renea February 10, 2009, 11:24 AM

I wish people would stop being so judgmental of this whole situation. No, I don’t think women who have 6 kids and live with their parents should have more babies, but the media and you judgmental posters don’t know anything about fertility. IVF’s have high failure rates and many people go through several treatments to get one baby. I’m sure she never intended to have 8 babies as a result of this last IVF. Here’s my big problem with the media. If a woman chose to abort 20 babies over the last 20 years as her method of birth control, no one would be allowed to criticize, nor would they even know about it. Health records are a private matter and she is a private citizen. Shame on everyone for snooping. She committed no crime. And Roe vs. Wade is suppoese to give a woman the right to privacy of her decisions and the right to choose. So it’s okay to abort as many times as you want, but not okay to choose life? What a double standard.

Laura February 10, 2009, 11:26 AM

SHE SHOULD GIVE THEM UP FOR ADOPTION TO CHILDLESS COUPLES THAT CAN GIVE THEM THE ATTENTION AND LOVE THEY DESERVE. THERE IS NO WAY SHE CAN RAISE ALL OF THESE CHILDREN WHILE GIVING THEM THE INDIVIDUAL ATTENTION AND LOVE THEY EACH DESERVE.

renea February 10, 2009, 11:28 AM

Oh, another thing. If she gets paid to do a few interviews or to be in a reality show, wouldn’t that be a good thing? Those of you saying she shouldn’t be helped out should think again. If she gets 2 million for an interview, she can put it in a savings account and be making around $80,000 in interest a year. Maybe not enough to pay for college for 14 kids, but enough to keep her off welfare. Quit making a stink about her getting money for interviews because as long as the entertainment industry pays her, the government won’t have to because she won’t be eligible.

LaLa February 10, 2009, 12:17 PM

I think that people have a right to be upset. I don’t think that the problem is that she had more kids, it’s that she can’t take care of them. If she was a millionare people would not be as upset because she would be able to afford to provide for her children. In this case her parents are the ones taking care of the kids. If you want to have kids and can’t afford to take care of them then don’t have any. The worst thing you can do is bring children into this world that are going to end up in foster care. The doctor should never have performed the procedure.

Kathy Carbullido Boxton February 10, 2009, 12:57 PM

The Dr. was very wrong. No matter all the “positives” of the woman…he and OctoMom will reap all the benefits and negatives. This woman has caused a stir among us all. Bottom line, she’s crazy enough to get the necessary funds to help raise her 14 children (albeit, it will be through appearances, books, endorsements…) Her parents are not going to live forever and there is no guarantee she is going to live forever either. I really think the children need all the attention they deserve to become responsible and contributing citizens in the community.

rossalind  February 10, 2009, 2:28 PM

Shame on all of you with your negative comments and insults. What gives any of you the right to say she should give her kids up for adoption or that they should be taken away? You all should really listen to how you sound. You sound so barbaric and hateful. Try living with the being told you cannot conceive, and adoption is far to expensive, and difficult to qualify for. Chances are those kids would just be caught up in the system till they were 18 anyway.

Anonymous February 10, 2009, 9:05 PM

This story makes IVF and ART (assisted reproductive technology) seem like a joke and a 5th grade science project gone wrong. I have nothing negative to say about the mom personally except that her’s and the doctor’s actions could make it harder for women who actually need ART to receive it. And if she used insurance to pay for the procedure, you can rest assured that it will affect couples in the future.

alikat0409 February 10, 2009, 10:04 PM

I just want to know how a woman on welfare got approved for this “line of credit” to get the IVF in the first place. I know women who work their butts off and still can’t afford IVF. What’s up with that?


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