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Do I NEED to vaccinate myself or my children?

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Ronda Kaysen: Ask any mom who's tried to get the swine flu vaccine lately and you're bound to hear tales of fruitless calls to doctor's offices and endless promises that more doses are imminent. With health officials urging us to line up for the precious H1N1 shot and critics drumming up fears of scary side effects, it's no wonder the swine flu pandemic has turned into pandemonium.

In an effort to sort fact from fiction, momlogic sat down with Amanda Aldridge, a Centers for Disease Control spokesperson, and Gregory Dworkin, chief of pediatric pulmonology and medical director of the Pediatric Inpatient Unit at Danbury Hospital in Danbury, Conn. He's also the founding editor of Flu Wiki, a website about flu. Here's what they had to say:

momlogic: Why is the government so concerned about swine flu? They don't take these measures with regular flu.
Amanda Aldridge and Gregory Dworkin: Usually, people over 65 are the most vulnerable to the flu. But swine flu targets young people, particularly children and pregnant women, meaning normally healthy people are at risk for getting seriously ill. Remember the flu is a serious disease that lands about 200,000 Americans in the hospital every year and kills about 36,000 people. This year, it's targeting kids and pregnant women.

ML: Is swine flu more deadly than regular flu?
AA/GD: Most people who get swine flu will get a mild case, but some people will get very sick. Also, since it's a new virus, no one is immune to it, which means a lot more people might get it than a normal year. So, horde your sick days.

ML: What's the difference between the flu and a cold?
AA/GD: Swine flu comes on fast, usually in three to six hours, and is accompanied by muscle aches, chills, a fever, a dry cough, tiredness, a headache, and severe chest discomfort. A cold rarely causes a fever, and usually arrives slowly over a few days. Typically, cold symptoms include a runny nose, congestion, a "productive" or wet cough, a sore throat, and sneezing.

ML: Many pediatricians don't have the vaccine; what should parents do?
AA/GD: Here's the rub: health officials want you to get the shot, but they can't make enough doses fast enough. The answer? Be patient. If your doctor doesn't have the vaccine now, she'll have it soon. You can also go to flu.gov and find a flu vaccine locator in your area. Eventually, supply will meet the demand.

ML: Are some people getting vaccinated before other people?
AA/GD: Yes. Some people are at the head of the line: pregnant women, people who live with or care for newborns, healthcare workers, young people between the ages of 6 months and 24, and people who have health disorders or compromised immune systems.

ML: Why is it important for pregnant women to get vaccinated?
AA/GD: Pregnant women are at high risk for complications from the flu. As of August 2009, 100 pregnant women had been hospitalized in intensive care, and 28 had died since the outbreak began in April. If you are pregnant, it's important to get the vaccine.

ML: The flu vaccine comes in different forms; does it matter which one I take?
AA/GD: You've got three choices: the FluMist nasal spray, shots that are packaged individually without preservatives, and shots that are packaged in larger batches with a preservative called thimerosal. Pregnant women, children under 2, and people with compromised immune systems should not take the nasal spray because it contains a live virus. As for fears one will contract the flu from the vaccine, momlogic expert Dr. Alanna Levine says not to worry. "Many people are afraid of a 'live flu vaccine,'" says Dr. Levine, "but they gave their children the MMR and chicken pox vaccines, which are live. You cannot get the flu from a live vaccine, as it is a weakened form of the virus that does not cause illness."

ML: Can my kid get autism from the shot?
AA/GD: No. Some of the shots contain thimerosal, a preservative that contains trace amounts of mercury, which critics worry can cause autism and other developmental disorders. Health officials insist the preservative is safe. "There have certainly been many, many studies with thimerosal and they have not found any type of link to autism or developmental disabilities," said Aldridge, adding that parents can request thimerosal-free doses, which are becoming available. Dr Levine says doses with thimerosal will likely be available before those without, so parents should not wait for the thimerosal-free vaccine. H1N1 is affecting children NOW, so parents should vaccinate as soon as possible with the vaccine that is available first. In addition, the live nasal spray doesn't contain thimerosal.

ML: Is there anyone who shouldn't get vaccinated?
AA/GD: Yes. Infants younger than 6 months old can't get vaccinated. And anyone with an egg allergy should speak with a doctor before getting vaccinated since the vaccine is grown in chicken eggs or those who have had an allergic reaction to the flu vaccine in the past.

ML: Is there any benefit in waiting to get the vaccine?
AA/GD: No. The sooner you get vaccinated, the sooner you'll be protected.

ML: Some people say herd immunity will help people in areas that had outbreaks last spring, like New York City. Is that true?
AA/GD: It's unknown. Areas that had outbreaks in the spring are seeing cases now. Everyone should get the shot.

ML: How long does it take for the vaccine to become effective?
AA/GD: The vaccine takes 10 to 14 days to become effective.

ML: Does my child need more than one shot?
AA/GD: Moms with little ones, gear up for two trips to the pediatrician. Children under the age of 10 need two doses, a month apart. After the first vaccine, they're somewhat protected, but still at risk for swine flu.

ML: Some critics say this is a new vaccine that hasn't been properly tested. Is that correct?
AA/GD: No. Every year the flu shot is updated for a new flu strain; this year is no different. "It's the exact same vaccine as the seasonal flu," said Aldridge. "It's really just a different strain of flu being put into the same components."

ML: What should a parent do if a kid at school comes down with it?
AA/GD: Don't panic. If your child is healthy, send him to school. If he's sick, keep him home.

ML: What should a parent do if her kid gets the flu?
AA/GD: Keep in touch with your child's pediatrician. The main thing is to control fever and keep your child hydrated -- and keep your child home.

Dr. Levine also notes that your child should be checked by a pediatrician if they're lethargic, dehydrated, have had a fever for more than five days, or if their symptoms seemed to be getting better and then they worsened again. You should take your child immediately to the ER if they have difficulty breathing, blue color around the lips, profound irritability, or severe vomiting.

ML: Are there other ways to stay healthy?
AA/GD: Yes. Wash your hands and wash them often. Keep your distance from sick people. If you cough or sneeze, use a tissue or sneeze into your elbow. Don't rub your eyes, nose, or mouth. If you feel sick, stay home.

ML: Why is it called swine flu, anyway?
AA/GD: H1N1 virus was dubbed swine flu when it first turned up in Mexico last spring because it had elements of a swine flu in it. The pork industry was less than thrilled with the moniker, and has been trying to shed it ever since. The actual H1N1 strain has elements of human, bird, and swine flu in it, which is a very unusual combination. Exactly how the virus evolved is still unclear.

ML: Will this year's vaccine be good for swine flu next year?
AA/GD: No. Next year, you'll need to get the flu vaccine again, just like every year.

ML: Will swine flu be a problem next year?
AA/GD: Swine flu will probably replace the seasonal flu. It will probably be incorporated into next year's flu shot. Usually after 18 months, the pandemic is gone. However, seasonal flu is still a serious illness. "People need to respect seasonal flu a little bit more," said Dworkin.

Bottom line -- should you and your kids get the vaccine? If you are in a high-risk group (pregnant, caring for or living with a newborn, a healthcare worker, have a compromised immune system, or your kids are 6 months to 24 years) -- then yes. But speak to your doctor first.



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102 comments so far | Post a comment now
chris November 5, 2009, 4:28 AM

I’m pissed that this vaccine is impossible to get yet I just heard on the “today show” this morning that wall street is now getting the vaccine shots.
1st our government is making sure that gitmo prisioners are getting it and now our government is making sure the people on wall street are getting it.
WTF??????

ashley November 5, 2009, 5:29 AM

I don’t know what to do. I have to turn in the paperwork today for my son to get it at school and I still don’t know what to do. I have talked to him about not touching his nose, mouth or eyes when in public and washing his hands alot. I just don’t know what to do. I researched it for 4 hours on the net the other day and heard very compelling arguments from both sides.

Angie November 5, 2009, 5:42 AM

I want people who are skeptical to to to mercola.com

You will find many interesting articles concerning the swine flu. I am not going to push people one way but I know I made my mind up and would never get my son vaccinated.

Anonymous November 5, 2009, 6:17 AM

I also signed papers for my daughter to get it tomorrow and I still freaking out about if this is the right choice. I will go to the website that Angie recommended and see what it says.

Anonymous November 5, 2009, 6:57 AM

My children both received the H1N1 mist vaccine a couple weeks ago. I read both sides of the issue, but it was just too close to home for me to NOT vaccinate! We have had several schools in our area have to cancel schools for a week at a time due to the outbreaks.
My son has a friend that was hospitalized for nearly 2 weeks with H1N1, and he ran a 105 fever (for about a week and a half), that would NOT break. I just couldnt see how I could NOT vaccinate my kids…..

Anonymous November 5, 2009, 7:32 AM


Fact: 20 ppb mercury = Neurite membrane structure destroyed (Leong et al., Neuroreport 2001; 12: 733-37).

200 ppb mercury = level in liquid the EPA classifies as hazardous waste based on toxicity characteristics.

50,000 ppb mercury = Concentration of mercury in multi-dose flu and H1N1 vaccines. This can be confirmed by simply analyzing the multi-dose vials. Don’t fall for the “bait and switch”.

Anonymous November 5, 2009, 8:28 AM

mass media coverage = mass panic

susan November 5, 2009, 9:05 AM

I’m not advocating either way but if you read Dr Sears Vaccine Book and the chapter on Influenza, the 36,000 deaths number that keep getting repeated in the media is incorrect. That number includes pneumonia as well which can result from the flu but not necessarily. Dr Sears breaks it down by age group as well and it turns out that 100 or so children die from the flu every year, and most of these have other underlying health problems that left them vulnerable. Dr Sears also mentions that every year it seems like you hear about a new strain of the flu that is the worst ever.
Vaccinations are not a bad thing, I just think the media should calm down get their numbers straight

nutmac November 5, 2009, 9:50 AM

My son is 11-month old so he need to get both seasonal and H1N1 shots, a double dose at 1 month apart. Does that mean it would take 4 months to get all the flu vaccines? All 1 month apart?

Anonymous November 5, 2009, 12:34 PM

ediatric Flu Deaths by Year Made WORSE by Flu Vaccine

* 1999 — - 29 deaths
* 2000 — - 19 deaths
* 2001 — - 13 deaths
* 2002 — - 12 deaths
* 2003 — - 90 deaths (Year of mass vaccinations of children under age 5 years)
* 2006 — 78 deaths
* 2007 — - 88 deaths
* 2008 – 116 deaths (40.9% vaccinated at age 6 months to 23 months)11

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/11/03/What-We-Have-Learned-About-the-Great-Swine-Flu-Pandemic.aspx

Nutmac please review cons of getting flu shots for children under 2!

Mary November 5, 2009, 4:07 PM

We need to get serious about ‘hands-on prevention’, which is why I must share this tip: My child came home from school saying they learned to cough and sneeze into their elbow with Germy Wormie, and I was totally taken aback. I always covered with my hands. But I went to the website and now I get it, hands touch, elbows don’t!! Kids can touch 300 surfaces in 1/2 hour and they hate to wash their hands. This is a simple thing that can make a huge difference. There is also an entertaining DVD that teaches them in a fun way the elbow cough, as well as other important hygiene habits.

Dawn November 6, 2009, 6:57 PM

Vaccines are the cause of most, if not all neurological and chronic disease. My family is living proof of the destructive nature of vaccines. If only we had been told the truth, we would have been spared a lot of pain. Not only will I no longer vaccinate myself or family, but not my pets anymore either.

Anonymous November 7, 2009, 1:38 PM

a little paranoid Dawn?

Moonkitty November 7, 2009, 7:15 PM

Why not pump poison into the bodies of our children, our elderly, and ourselves? Give me a break people. How many more of our kids need to be diagnosed with autism before we STOP it with the vaccines already?!?!

mercaties November 7, 2009, 11:58 PM

I love my kids too mutch to not vaccinate them. “I’m sorry your in the hospital little Tommy Mommy knows more than your Doctor” What the hell is wrong with you people!

scary January 18, 2010, 5:01 AM

SWINES FLEW IN TOP HATS SWINDLE

Glaxo is just a marketing hand
so who sold that vacc to the whole world carrying seeds of the next pandemic?
What state, what monster?
When failed, getting away to try again?
Like Oklahoma

your comment must be approved by

OH YEAH?

guess where all the internet monitoring flows to and you guessed where that vaccine maker sits


According to a list compiled by Dr. Patricia Doyle at rense.com, a host of strange ingredients are used to make up Hoffman-La Roche’s anti-flu drug Tamiflu, which has recently been connected with bizarre behavior,

Patients using Tamiflu — which many nations are stocking up on as a way to combat a possible pandemic of the deadly H5N1 bird flu — reported delirium, hallucinations, delusions, convulsions, disturbed consciousness and abnormal behavior. The FDA reports that side effects reported with Tamiflu include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, bronchitis, stomach pain, dizziness and headache.

ANTI-MONOPOLISTS VERY QUIET ON JUST ONE FIRM ”SERVING” THE WHOLE WORLD

John1151 May 23, 2010, 11:34 PM

Very nice site! is it yours too

Swine Flu Vaccine June 2, 2010, 6:36 AM

I recently tweeted and stumbled upon your post. Really your post is very informative and I enjoyed your opinions. Do you use twitter or stumbleupon? So I can follow you there. I am hoping you post again soon.

Online Banking Saftey October 18, 2010, 1:09 AM

I was just chatting with my coworker about this the other day at Outback steak house. Don’t know how in the world we landed on the topic actually , they brought it up. I do remember having a wonderful chicken salad with sunflower seeds on it. I digress…


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