Mom Who Cursed Out Principal Speaks

Ever been so angry at your kid's school principal that you felt like telling them off? This mom did, and now she's being charged with disorderly conduct.

When Cindy Schwalb heard from her 13-year-old daughter that boys had pulled down her sweatpants in front of other students, she was livid. When the principal at Hasbrouck Heights Middle School didn't address the issue at a bullying seminar, she became furious. So angry, in fact, that she cursed out the principal in the hallway. She now faces charges of disorderly conduct.
Momlogic: First of all, what is "pantsing"?
Cindy: From what I learned, "pantsing" started happening in my daughter's middle school in October 2008. It's when a child runs up and drops another child's pants to the floor. I was not aware of it at first because I had breast cancer and was going through chemo at the time, so my daughter never came home and mentioned it to me. I guess the kids viewed it as a common thing that kept happening. I was later told it happened often in the boys' and girls' locker rooms before and after gym class. It was done in front of teachers and they didn't stop it, so the kids thought it was okay. I later learned some boys' moms did complain because it turned into harassment. It was the athletic boys doing it to the less athletic boys. I feel if any teacher saw this, he or she should have blown a whistle and sat the kids down to tell them you should never touch another kid's pants.
Momlogic: How and when did you learn about your 13-year-old daughter's incident at school?
Cindy: Prior to my daughter's incident, I had no knowledge this was going on. On May 16, 2009, I received a phone call from my daughter's guidance counselor. My daughter was in her office, and she was very upset. The counselor sounded hesitant and said they were having a problem in school with "pantsing." She said it had been happening with the boys, but it never happened with a girl until that day with my daughter. My daughter is not one to show her body parts, she's conservative in that way, so I knew this wouldn't be good. I was told it was during gym class when it was full of students. I called my husband to meet me at the school because I figured my daughter would be upset and needed us both.
When I arrived at the school, I was told my daughter had been in gym class when the boy, who was talking to his football buddies, crawled across the floor, right behind her. She was talking to her girlfriends when all of a sudden, WHAM ... down went the pants. She screamed and went into a ball because she had no pants on. The girls encircled her, pulled her pants up, and helped her out of the gym.
Since this seemed to be an ongoing problem in the school, I asked the guidance counselor if the principal was going to sit the boys down and speak with them. The boy who did this was suspended for one day, but that seemed to be the end of it. I went in to speak with the principal. He never apologized to my daughter about this incident, and when I asked if the boys would be reprimanded, he said he couldn't name names and he rudely dismissed my concerns. My husband also went in to speak with him and got nowhere. I left with my daughter, and my husband and I ended up at the Board of Education to address this.
I was getting nowhere with the school district. Finally, at 9 PM that night, the superintendent called and said he'd deal with this properly. He agreed this behavior should not be tolerated. He said he would talk to the kids, but we also felt there should be training across the board with the school teachers and faculty because we later learned other moms were complaining about this, but nothing was being done. The school didn't seem to care that the athletic boys were picking on the less athletic boys.
My husband and I went to meet with the superintendent. While we were talking to him, he asked me if my daughter was wearing a thong. She's 13! I was shocked he asked me that. He says he asked me that because he needed to know what body parts were showing, but I felt the question was inappropriate. I don't see what that question was all about, and no, she wasn't wearing a thong. The issue wasn't about her body parts; it should have been about why the teachers allowed this sexual harassment to continue.
Momlogic: After getting nowhere, what did you do next?
Cindy: I took my story to the county, and they agreed to give three workshops to the teachers, students, and parents. The parent workshop was supposed to be at back-to-school night. Meanwhile, the gym teachers (where the incident happened) weren't on the list for the workshop, the parents weren't given notice about the workshop, and I felt this issue was again being ignored. At back-to-school night, a woman got up and said sexual harassment happens in the halls because there aren't enough teachers to monitor all the students, and if it happened, students should report it. Nothing was ever mentioned about "pantsing"! I thought the workshop was going to address the situation, make parents aware of what was happening, and be somewhat educational. I was shocked and upset. I said to the principal, "You're useless! My daughter was assaulted, and this is what you call a workshop? I spent 3 months on the phone with the county and you did nothing to help my family. You're a useless f***ing a**hole!"
I was crying, and I walked out on my own accord. The principal never said anything to me, and it was like I wasn't being heard for six months. I went home and cried for three days. A few days later, I received a letter in the mail saying I was banned from the school, and if there was further misconduct on my part, he would have to take this further. A week later, I received a ticket in the mail charging me with disorderly conduct. I am facing as much as a $1,000 fine and up to 90 days in jail.
Yesterday, on January 13th, I went to court with my attorney and entered a not-guilty plea. I did curse at him, but it wasn't disorderly conduct. I said what I had to say, and then I left. That night, there was a police officer standing right there who is a student's father, and who also serves on the board of education. If I was disorderly, why didn't he escort me out?
Momlogic: How did you explain this to your daughter?
Cindy: My 13-year-old daughter knew something was wrong when I got home that night because she saw I was crying. She knew I felt the school gave the wrong message to the boys. The boy should have been punished, but I feel he's only 50% to blame -- the school didn't protect her, and they should be accountable too. That night, I sat her down and I told her I wasn't proud of what I did, I was very upset, and they weren't taking her feelings seriously. I told her what I did, and I told her it was wrong and that I got emotional. She went back to school and she's moving on from this, but she wants me to get justice. She understands something is very wrong in the school system.
Momlogic: Has this had an impact on your daughter?
Cindy: A week after the incident, my daughter started getting stomach pains. I brought her to the doctor and he could tell something happened to her emotionally. She was having anxiety, a nervous stomach. She was put on medication and is still dealing with some emotional issues stemming from this.
Momlogic: What is your message to other moms?
Cindy: My message is that when something like this happens to your child, a lot of school systems will do whatever they can to make it go away. They will put you through the test of time and put you through a lot. My message is don't give up. If you feel you're right and something is terribly wrong, you can't let them intimidate you. I went through all the proper channels; my only mistake was when Mama Bear came out and I got upset and it was the last straw. In hindsight, it's helped the situation because it actually brought the issue out in the school, community, and media, so now everyone knows what's been going on.
Read a copy of the police complaint. (Warning: Complaint contains profanity.)
I feel for this family! If that were MY child and the district was reacting in this way, I can’t say I would have done anything differently. These are people who we entrust to protect, teach, and guide our children…what kind of example are they setting? And as for the thong question? It shouldn’t matter if the girl was going ‘commando’…her privacy was still violated!
It sounds like this mother tried to the do the right thing and was blown off by the school system. I would be livid, too. While I agree that it’s not a good idea to swear at the daughter’s principal, look where it’s taken her—her story is now getting out and educating all of us. It’s like what I say to my 6-year-old: “Why do you only listen when I raise my voice?” Sad, but true, that nobody listens until people get loud. Good luck to this family.
There is always two sides to a story and I’m sure that mother is being a little dramatic and leaving out parts where the school did take actions towards these behaviors but she didn’t think the actions were good enough. My mom was a Principal for over 30 years and its mothers like this, that make a big deal out of something so little, that take away from all the great things the Principal has done for the school. I believe this mother deserves everything that is coming to her because there is NO reason a parent should ever swear at a Principal. Principals have one of the hardest jobs ever and even if this Principal didn’t handle this one situation the best way they have 100 other situations a month that they have handled in a great way and does that ever make the news…no.
mothers like this, that make a big deal out of something so little
Are you crazy?? This is not something little, this little girl is physically and mentally suffering. This principal clearly didn’t do the right thing or the mother wouldn’t have had to go to the lengths she did. I’m sure your mom was a GREAT principal, there’s lots of them out there, but like all other professions there’s always bad ones as well. I’m glad the mother did all she did for her child… I would have done the same thing.
This mom is totally in the right. I think she should fight this with all the energy she has, for the sake of her daughter, and then move to another district (while making lots of noise about it in the local media). Also, one of the more horrifying things about this story is that no one was as concerned when “pantsing” was happening to boys. Harassment is harassment; it is based on power more than sex and can be just as traumatic for a boy to endure, so it’s not like we should somehow only be concerned if it happens to a girl.
I completely understand how the mom reacted.
Kirsten,
In my opinion the main part of the story is that the girl was sexually harrassed at a place where she should feel safe (school). The school did nothing about this. The principal and staff are in a position of trust and to let this happen to a thirteen year old girl and to not take action to fix the problem… I’m sorry, but I really don’t care if the Principal saves kittens on his free time. It does not excuse his behavior or lack of action to protect the children he was entrusted with caring for.
And one more thing. Shame on this school district for taking the matter to the police and trying to criminalize the mom. Not coincidentally, that’s also what school districts increasingly do for minor disciplinary issues as well. It shows pretty clearly that they know they’re in the wrong but refuse to resolve this case on its merits, in a professional way.
I completely agree with this mother. This issue should have been addressed school wide when it began in 2008. Every parent should be aware of what’s going on in their childs school, especially something that enters into Sexual Harrassment territory.
I’m livid at this situation. By not stopping the “pantsing” when it began, the school showed that it was pretty much OK, no big deal, plain and simple. And the fact is, it’s not. And if this happened on any street those people would be arrested. Stop the bad behavior when it starts!
Cindy, you are a fantastic mom. I wish you strength and peace.
She was not sexual harassed, she was pantsed! This has been going on for many many years and yes it can be embarrassing but the mother should have taught her daughter to brush things like this off and not to completely over react to the point where she is giving herself stomach aches. I don’t condone this but many things like this happen to children through out their years of attending school. I wonder where the daughter learned to over react!
I completely understand and have been in this exact situation. Except I didn’t curse the principal. I was crying hysterically. Yet, she banned me from the school claiming I was a danger and we ended up having no choice but to leave. Later I found out that this same head of school has inflicted severe damage to multiple families and is still head of the school. What I have learned from that experience is that when a school is not protecting the children properly and treat the protective parent as a nuisance…You must take legal action. There are no laws protecting parents. Schools, especially private, have all the rights. In this case I understand the mother completely. When mothers are told not to pay attention to their God given instincts because the school does not know how to handle a bad situation, that is the crime. The mother is doing her job. This is not over reacting, and the same was in my situation, which was very serious. Our whole family was effected and we have been traumatized. It teaches girls to stay quiet and not speak up when harmed, shamed, or embarrassed. Isn’t this blaming the victim for the abuse? Brushing things off is exactly why the behavior continues. Some people choose to bury their heads in the sand while their children are sad, depressed, angry, or scared. Your daughter is lucky to have a mother that will stand up for her no matter what. Stay strong.
The boys were punished for this. Yet, the mother wanted more? For pantsing?
She was in no way acting appropriately when she swore at the principal. Also, asking if her 13 year old daughter was wearing a thong is in no way inappropriate. I was wearing a thong when I was 13-14. I worked at a mall once too, and when you go into the stores like wet seal and they have those huge bins of $2 thongs, you would be surprised how many middle schoolers spend their $10 on 5 pairs of thongs they will hide from their parents. She should not be offended by that question.
Boys pick on each other all the time, but since it happened to this little girl all of a sudden she was sexually harassed? I bet half of the boys her age could not give you a proper definition of sexually harassed. They were just fooling around. I feel bad for this little girl and how hard she is taking this situation. But when you are that age, everything could be a situation, from teasing (verbal abuse) to pulling hair (assault). Making a big deal out of this might only be putting her in more of an uncomfortable position. Now instead of it being talked about in school for a day or so, the police are involved and it could go on for months. Let it go. They boys were suspended for a day. What more do you need? Spend your time talking to your daughter about how immature boys are and how she should not sweat the small stuff. You sure made a bad example loosing your cool and getting the police involved.
I agree 110% with Kate. The mom is probably the reason for this girls stomach pains. Sounds like instead of getting over it, the mother dragged it out and made a HUGE deal out of it. You would think the girl practically got raped the way the mother overreacted. It was wrong what the boy did but he was punished, let it go. Prepare yourself for real drama once she gets older. It is pretty lame of the school to turn her into the police after admitting she came back in a apologized but I understand why they would want to get something like that on the record.
I don’t know how long it has been since some of the people have been in a school or if they have school age children but just in case you don’t, you need to know that the school teach the students from preK on up what sexual harassment is and teaches you that no one and I mean NO ONE has a right to touch you. So yes pulling down that girl pant is sexual harassment. If you were at work and a co-worker came up behind you and did it, I’m sure you would be upset and complain. Oh and for the principal asking about the thongs, first it’s none of his business and secondly I would be concerned about why he wanted to know. Some of you should be ashamed of yourself for not thinking this is a big deal. I hope you never find your daughter in this situation.
Chris: Im 23 and just got my education degree, and have siblings in middle school. It was a relevant question because if she was wearing normal underwear her butt was not exposed to everyone. And most normal underwear these days covers less than a swimsuit which kids are allowed to wear in their schools swimming classes during gym. I personally would have been more traumatized wearing a thong vs normal underwear. Plus, the boys did not touch her private parts. Just pantsed her … again, this happens all the time. While I am glad the boys were made an example of with a days expulsion that does not make it sexual harassment. Also, each student in each school is given a school code of conduct. But that does not mean that they read it or understand it and many schools do not read over the conduct codes with the students. They know that touching another persons private parts is unacceptable but do they know pantsing someone is “touching them inappropriately”? I dont think pantsing is covered in the average students code of conduct … at least not at our school …
By the way, how can you parents be so concerned about how your children are being treated in school when you are letting school districts fire teachers who have been there 20+ years, to replace them with college grads who have a “temporary” teaching license. Which means, the new teachers are not fully licensed, like the teachers who were laid off were. You are allowing the school districts to cut costs by hiring teachers who are not prepared to teach and letting go the teachers who have been doing there job well for 20+ years? Maybe you should have been more involved from the start.
I would have done the same thing if not more - good for her
Ok so I am on the other side of this. My son did this to a boy in the boys locker room one day. Said look at the tighty whities. It was reported and the school took action. My son got a week inhouse suspension, meaning no regular classes, or lunch with his friends. He had to sit in the same class all day long. He also had to write an apology to the student he did this to. The principal also had him answer written questions about character and such. He was really bummed and learned his lesson for sure. When I found out what he did, I went off the deep end and grounded him for a month with no games or computer. Which is a really big deal in our house since our kids do not get games or computer during a school week. I can tell you right now he has learned his lesson and has not done a thing wrong since. I did talk with the vice principal and she told me that this type of thing is very common at this age. They are older and testing boundries and infact it is usually the good kids that have never gotten in trouble at all in school that will get into trouble at junior high level. She said they will do something and learn and go back to being well behaved kids. They learn that it will get them no where. I do not think that woman should have yelled like she did, she needs to calm down and show her daughter that it really is not a huge deal. The mother is encouraging her emotional pain. I am all for standing up for your kids, but make sure that it something that warrents it. Just so you know, once my son was back in normal class, that kids would not stop hanging around my son and wanted to be friends. Also when my hubby found out, well he kind of laughed and said when he was in school they would do this while walking in the school halls. It has been going on for a long time. I agree where it is a boy doing it to a girl that is worse and there needs to be a little more action taken. But not to the extent that the police are brought into things.
I would LOVE to hear the other side of this story. I’m guessing it would sound very different. As a teacher, I deal with parents like this all the time. There is ONLY so much the school can do. Granted, if what she is saying is true, it sounds like this school needs intervention in dealing with harassment and should have done more. However, she did mention that they boy was suspended. If that’s the policy, what else is the principal supposed to do? Rearranging the whole back to school night based on this is ridiculous, if you ask me. Her conjecture about how the gym teachers react to these instances doesn’t sound like it’s based on anything solid. Students become very good at telling their parents what they think they want to hear. Grow up lady. Help your daughter deal with a horrible situation and move on. It sounds like you’ve made it 100x worse.








Let me start by saying that this is a horrible situation and I feel badly for this family. That being said, you always tend to lose some credibility when you lose self control like that. I hope this resolves favorably for the family.